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----- Forwarded Message -----DAVEH: ??? How did you come to that conclusion, Judy? I assume you agree that the Lord knows the difference between good and evil......that is in a sense what defines joy. Adam and Eve were simply created without this knowledge. (I assume you agree with that too?)
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(Furthermore......LDS theology teaches they could not have
had children prior to the fall anyway.)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why do they teach this? LauraDAVEH: It is revealed in the BofM.......
"And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would
not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of
Eden. And all things which were created must have remained
in the same state in which they were after they were created;
and they must have remained forever, and had no end.
And they would have had no children; wherefore they would
have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they
knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin. But behold,
all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth
all things. Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that
they might have joy." 2Ne 2:22-25Judy:
The above makes not one bit of sense DaveH. How incredulous
to try to get people to believe that the creator of all joy is joyless
and that he made A&E this way; that one has to wallow in theDAVEH: Here's the problem I see you (Protestants) have with this, Judy....
mire to have fun, and that men can't be men unless they are in
satan's image ... because this is the outcome of the fall, the
two trees in the garden represent opposing types of wisdom.
As I pointed out previously, God placed the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden for a reason. And IMHO, he not only knew Adam would partake of the FF, but he intended him to do so. Judy, I assume you believe Jesus was foreordained to be our Savior and Redeemer before the foundation of the world? (1Pt 1:10). If that is so, then God had to place the FF in the presense of A&E in order that they could partake of it, as it was part of God's plan. The only way His plan could have been foiled would have been IF Adam had not partaken of the FF. That would have thwarted Jesus' foreordained calling as our Savior. Does that make sense?
DaveH:DAVEH: To me, this is a very important part of theology. Had it not happened as it did, the Lord's plan of salvation would/could not have developed, and we would have been trapped in an unexalted state.
.......Does that answer your question, Laura? Now let me ask
you a couple.......IF Adam had not transgressed, he would have
been immortal. I assume you agree with that? Then, do you
believe immortal men and women can have children? Now let
me take it a step further......suppose Eve had partaken of the
FF and had fallen, but Adam had not transgressed and remained
immortal. Do you think Adam (being in a higher state of
immortality) could have had children with Eve (in a lower state
of mortality)?Judy:
Why strain the brain trying to figure all this out in our fallen
state DaveH?
Are we God?DAVEH: I was sorely tempted to jokingly say....Not yet!
But seriously......I think it is important to strain the brain on this, Judy. Without the fall of Adam, the whole plan of salvation would have been thwarted. To me.....it is a very important theological concept.
I don't know about Laura maybeDAVEH: Reality is that without the sickness, sorrow, sadness and death, there is no concept of joy.
she knows more than me but I don't see any point in trying to
speculate on what might have been. ATST I know that to be
holy is a whole lot better for both men and women than the
alternate. Sin leads to sickness, sorrow, sadness and death -
all good gifts come from above from the Father of Lights in
whom there is no degree of shadow or turning... that's reality.
Judy--
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