Judy Taylor wrote:
DAVEH: That seems contrary to what the Lord says in Gen 3:22......Hi DaveH, We lost the "image of God" when Adam fell
...Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:....
......Logically, it was AFTER the fall that A&E took on the image of God if vs 22 means what it says. Do you disagree? I know some may think I'm arguing LDS doctrine on this, but I am reading vs 22 and trying to see how it can be any other way, but it only makes sense if they did not know the difference between good and evil until after they partook of the FF. And....once they partook of the FF they became as God.....with one exception.....they were then in a fallen state, and became sinners. Hence.....a Redeemer was necessary to extract them (and us) from that fallen/sinful state.
DAVEH: What is the scriptural argument for that, Judy? Jesus did not inherit iniquity. IMHO, the only reason we are iniquitous is not because of our being born that way, but rather we become that way when we sin. And as you know.....I do not believe infants can sin. IMO.....they are innocent and sin free. What they inherited from Adam is the ability to die a physical death. They cannot die spiritually until they become capable of sinning.....and then do so. Jesus is an example of one who was capable, but chose not to do so. As far as I know.....the rest of us are innocent at birth, but become sinners AFTER we sin. IMHO...We are not born that way, contrary to your opinion. So.....I'll be anxious to see your Biblical evidence to support your belief. (There must be a lot of it, since it seems to be a ubiquitous belief amongst Protestants. If not.....I suspect it is an inherited doctrine from the RCC folks.)and Gen 5:3 teaches us that Seth who carried the godly seed was born in the image of Adam rather than the image of God and it goes downhill from there. All of us are allborn with inherited iniquity from the Fathers
and the walk of salvation is a lifetime walk of grace to return to the image we lost in the first Adam. Jesus is the ONLY exception. He said "If you've seen me you've seen the Father and he said it before his death, burial, and resurrection. judyt From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> DAVEH: I'm hesitant to jump into another's discussion, but it sure seems to me that the simple answer to this may be realized IF one considers that children may not be born with sinners, but rather they become sinners when they learn to discern right from wrong.....and then choose wrong instead of right thereafter. IMHO, Jesus was born innocent, and remained sinless. On the other hand.....we are born innocent, and make choices that cause us to sin. Judy Taylor wrote:You will need to prove it to me by the scriptures pastorbob, Yes he needed a flesh body but he didn't need for it to be fallen flesh. In fact, fallen flesh would disqualify him to be the only kind of sacrifice God the Father would accept, that is one without spot or blemish. The OT bulls and goats were part of fallen creation but they were temporary. For a start the bloodline of the first Adam would never be called "holy" Judyt From: "Pastor Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Greetings jandg, "everyone born of the flesh is born in sin." I think it was Vince who said something like That's right. That's why he had to get the same flesh in him. Grace and Truth, Robert
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