If I produce a statement from one of the LDS prophets that says it WAS a physical union, will you change your position? Or will you deny that the one who stated it was a prophet?
Perry
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] false notions Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:24:17 -0800
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
David, you are denying what several of your own prophets have stated.
DAVEH: No, Perry. I am denying the spin you are putting on their words.
Have you not seen the multitude of references that Kevin has provided that indicate such?
DAVEH: No.....I have not. The references I have seen have *not *said /God had physical sex with Mary/. So I do not understand why you continue saying that we do believe that, despite me telling you previously that it is not LDS doctrine or teaching.
Are you saying that they were NOT prophets, and had no authority, or were they wrong on just this one occasion?
DAVEH: Please quote the passage you think applies and I'll explain it as I understand it.
Please set me straight. Explain to me the DH understanding of the relationship between the LDS god and Mary that produced Jesus' earthly body. If it differs from the LDS teachings, please tell me what the LDS believe about this.
DAVEH: OK Perry.....once again FTR......LDS doctrine is very specific about Mary.....She was a virgin. Furthermore, I do believe God the Father is Jesus' literal father. Do you not believe both those concepts, Perry?
I also believe there is a genetic (if that is the correct word) connection between God the Father and His Only Begotten Son, Jesus that took place by virtue of the power of the Holy Ghost. That does not mean that the HG created Jesus. But rather Jesus was conceived in the womb from genetic (as best as I understand it) material of both the Heavenly Father and Mary without a physical/sexual union that would disqualify Mary's virginity.
Now that you presumably understand what I just explained, Perry.....will you continue expounding that we believe the opposite?
Perry
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] false notions Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:04:33 -0800
DAVEH: Interestingly.....Perry you have once again quoted /He had physical sex with Mary/ which I have several times denied to be LDS doctrine on TT. Why do you make such a claim when you know it to be false? Did you think I lied to you?
Blaine Borrowman wrote:
*Blaine: I have covered all of the doctrines I know about that can be substantiated by Mormon scriptures, at least I hope I didn't leave anything out. Your list of "truths" about what we believe, Perry, would not stand up to any scriptures that I know of, Mormon or otherwise. You are touching on almost all the doctrines I have heard repeated by anti-Mormons in their many attempts to discredit the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They dig up some obscure commentaries made in moments of unwary speculation, and try to attach these to the official belief system of the LDS Church. If I as a sunday school teacher were to dwell on these doctrines as if they were fundamental truths, with more than passing commentary, I would soon be removed from teaching the Latter-day Saint people. If you want to know what we teach, read current commentary by current LDS writers, or go to the official scriptures--the BoM, the D&C, and etc. * *If I wanted to know what Jews teach, would I go to an anti-semitic source? Not unless I wanted to hear with itching ears the devil's version of what they teach.* *(:>)* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:42 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] false notions
> Blaine, > > Great! You caovered the parts that are similariities between you god and > jesus, and the God and Jesus of the Bible. Now tell the WHOLE story, > Blaine... give the "other" aspects of God from your own D&C, and the > writings of your other LDS prophets which you ALSO believe. It is THOSE > characterisitcs that make your god and jesus different from the biblical God > and Jesus. Please don't hold anything back. He is from KOLOB. He was once a > MAN. He had a father himself that was once a man, and is now a god. He had > physical sex with Mary. There are infinite such gods. Jesus is a brother of > SATAN. Be truthful, Blaine. Tell us all of it. > > Perry > > >From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "TT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > >Subject: [TruthTalk] false notions > >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 23:26:04 -0700 > > > > I would like to try once again to clarify my (Mormon) beliefs as to who > >Jesus really is. If needed, I can verify all of these assertions by > >biblical scripture. He is as follows: > >1) The God of the Old Testament--Jehovah--he was the "I Am that I Am" that > >gave commandments to Moses, and delivered the Children of Israel out of > >Egypt. > >2) He was the firstborn of all spirit creations OF the Father. (Rev 3:14) > >3) All other things were created BY him (but OF the father). > >4) He is the only begotten of the Father in the flesh. > >5) He gave his life and blood to atone for the sins of all, as he overcame > >all things, including death. > >6) He was the firstborn of the resurrection, having pre-eminance in all > >things. > >7) He now reigns on the right hand of the Father (both in bodies of flesh > >and bone) and caringly intervenes in the affairs of men, by speaking to his > >ordained and authorized servants, the prophets. > >8) He will again set his foot on the earth, which is his footstool, and > >will reign forever as King and Prince over all, in justice and equity, and > >his Kingdom will never end. > > > >I can't see that any of these beliefs make my Jesus different from your > >Jesus--unless you don't believe your own scriptures. > > > >Blaine >
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