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Blaine: Dave is handing it to you straight,
Perry, and frankly, I am getting a little annoyed that you insist you "know" we
believe something we do not. Why don't you get off it, Perry, we have been
through this before, Dave told you that--and like he said, are you saying we are
liars?
I have not read all the posts, but neither
have I seen you answer this question--nor have I seen answers to several other
questions that have been asked of you. You two do more ignoring than
anyone, then accuse us of doing the same. Wake up and take the beam
out of your own eye, then you may see more clearly to remove the mote in Dave's
eye and/or my eye.
If you want to worship Kevin and believe
Kevin "knows" something we do not, please be my guest. But Dave has
eloquently stated what we believe--Mary was a virgin, and the Holy Ghost was the
power in God's hands that created the Son of God. That is pure Mormon
doctrine--no other doctrine is EVER preached or taught in ANY Mormon chapel or
hall.
What you and Kevin are both very good at
is setting up little straw men, toppling them one by one, then patting each
other on the back and saying, in chorus, "What a good boy am I!"
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Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:24
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] false
notions
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
David, you are denying what several of your own prophets have
stated. DAVEH: No, Perry. I am denying the spin you
are putting on their words.
Have
you not seen the multitude of references that Kevin has provided that
indicate such? DAVEH: No.....I have not. The
references I have seen have not said God had physical sex with
Mary. So I do not understand why you continue saying that we do
believe that, despite me telling you previously that it is not LDS doctrine or
teaching.
Are
you saying that they were NOT prophets, and had no authority, or were they
wrong on just this one occasion? DAVEH: Please quote the
passage you think applies and I'll explain it as I understand it.
Please set me straight. Explain to me the DH understanding of
the relationship between the LDS god and Mary that produced Jesus' earthly
body. If it differs from the LDS teachings, please tell me what the LDS
believe about this.
DAVEH: OK Perry.....once again
FTR......LDS doctrine is very specific about Mary.....She was a
virgin. Furthermore, I do believe God the Father
is Jesus' literal father. Do you not believe both those concepts,
Perry?
I also believe there is a genetic (if that is
the correct word) connection between God the Father and His Only Begotten Son,
Jesus that took place by virtue of the power of the Holy Ghost. That
does not mean that the HG created Jesus. But rather Jesus was conceived
in the womb from genetic (as best as I understand it) material of both the
Heavenly Father and Mary without a physical/sexual union that would disqualify
Mary's virginity.
Now that you presumably understand
what I just explained, Perry.....will you continue expounding that we believe
the opposite?
Perry
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] false notions Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:04:33
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DAVEH: Interestingly.....Perry you have once again
quoted /He had physical sex with Mary/ which I have several times denied
to be LDS doctrine on TT. Why do you make such a claim when you know
it to be false? Did you think I lied to you?
Blaine
Borrowman wrote:
*Blaine: I have covered all of the
doctrines I know about that can be substantiated by Mormon
scriptures, at least I hope I didn't leave anything out.
Your list of "truths" about what we believe, Perry, would not stand up
to any scriptures that I know of, Mormon or otherwise. You are
touching on almost all the doctrines I have heard repeated by
anti-Mormons in their many attempts to discredit the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints. They dig up some obscure commentaries
made in moments of unwary speculation, and try to attach these to
the official belief system of the LDS Church. If I as a sunday
school teacher were to dwell on these doctrines as if they were
fundamental truths, with more than passing commentary, I would soon be
removed from teaching the Latter-day Saint people. If you want to
know what we teach, read current commentary by current LDS writers, or
go to the official scriptures--the BoM, the D&C, and etc. *
*If I wanted to know what Jews teach, would I go to an anti-semitic
source? Not unless I wanted to hear with itching ears the devil's
version of what they teach.* *(:>)* ----- Original
Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:42 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] false
notions
> Blaine, > > Great! You
caovered the parts that are similariities between you god and >
jesus, and the God and Jesus of the Bible. Now tell the WHOLE story,
> Blaine... give the "other" aspects of God from your own D&C,
and the > writings of your other LDS prophets which you ALSO believe.
It is THOSE > characterisitcs that make your god and jesus different
from the biblical God > and Jesus. Please don't hold anything
back. He is from KOLOB. He was once a > MAN. He had a father
himself that was once a man, and is now a god. He had > physical sex
with Mary. There are infinite such gods. Jesus is a brother of >
SATAN. Be truthful, Blaine. Tell us all of it. > > Perry > >
>From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "TT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> >Subject: [TruthTalk] false notions > >Date: Sun, 28
Mar 2004 23:26:04 -0700 > > > > I would like to try
once again to clarify my (Mormon) beliefs as to who > >Jesus
really is. If needed, I can verify all of these assertions by >
>biblical scripture. He is as follows: > >1) The God of
the Old Testament--Jehovah--he was the "I Am that I Am" that >
>gave commandments to Moses, and delivered the Children of Israel out
of > >Egypt. > >2) He was the firstborn of all spirit
creations OF the Father. (Rev 3:14) > >3) All other
things were created BY him (but OF the father). > >4) He is
the only begotten of the Father in the flesh. > >5) He gave
his life and blood to atone for the sins of all, as he overcame >
>all things, including death. > >6) He was the firstborn
of the resurrection, having pre-eminance in all > >things. >
>7) He now reigns on the right hand of the Father (both in
bodies of flesh > >and bone) and caringly intervenes in the
affairs of men, by speaking to his > >ordained and authorized
servants, the prophets. > >8) He will again set his
foot on the earth, which is his footstool, and > >will reign
forever as King and Prince over all, in justice and equity, and
> >his Kingdom will never end. > > > >I can't see that
any of these beliefs make my Jesus different from your >
>Jesus--unless you don't believe your own scriptures. > > >
>Blaine >
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