[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Why cling to doctrines that will never conform you to godliness and/or
holiness?
Who said that I did this? Nothing I believe in or teach leads me away from life's attempt at righteousness.
jt: Because the root of this belief system is Calvin's Institutes rather than
Why do you say that salvation by grace apart from works is a false
doctrine?
God's Word the definition of grace as unmerited favor is wrong. Also ppl
who ascribe to this way of thinking and believing usually define works and
obedience as one and the same which is also in error.
When Paul says that we are "saved by faith and not by works of the law" what in the world is "works" in that statement if not obedience?
jt: We don't need to "go out and live like hell" We have hell within us
I don't go out and live like hell knowing that God will save me anyway.
(see Mark 7:20-23) and this is what we need to be dealing with on a
daily basis before the Lord.
Who said anything about "needing" to live like hell. In fact I said I did NOT act that way. And If I am arguing that I am not perfect, then I must be talking about what is inside. So what was your point?
jt: I don't have a problem with James; he is saying that faith without
When James speaks of justification by works, he has in mind something
very different from Paul's use of "works." I believe that James knows
that faith comes first and works are an extension of that faith, proving it
(faith) to be alive and viable. But salvation is secured at the point of
faith.
corresponding actions is dead which makes sense to me. judyt
Of course you don't. But you sure do have one with Paul. At the beginning of this post, I asked why you rejected salvation by faith apart from works. I was using Paul's very words in this question. You don't have sin in your life such as bigotry, pride, lust, conceit, degrees of anger, laziness, sins of omission and so on?
John
