John, Izzy, Terry,
Lance et al,
I will not argue with
you guys. I will be taking a break from posting on this forum; whether
this is long-term or not I am not sure. When people keep leaving
Truthtalk because of the judging when will any of you look in the
mirror?
Regarding my last two
posts: I posted what I believed to be an interesting article (hence the
incredible title). I did not make any value judgments or even claim to
agree with the article. I merely thought the article to be
interesting. Secondly, I never stated that Clinton was a Christian or
that he even says that he was a Christian. I put a quote out that stated
he believed he had some sort of relationship with God. I pointed out
that you (the respondents) would use his lying and hypocrisy in his life as
your defense for your own hypocritical attitudes. All three of you
did. Clinton is easy to judge and you have all jumped on board. I
never tried to defend Clinton or give my own opinion of him or his
party. All three of you completely missed the point. You badgered
Lance and I with verses about saying anything critical about your current
president. You claimed we were anti-American. Your holier than
thou attitudes were all on display. Now those verses mean absolutely
nothing to you when speaking of a past president, one not in your party of
choice. When the leader is not one you like you use your bible in a
different way, to judge. All three of you are loving and Christian-like
when it revolves around someone you would include in Christ. When it
comes to anyone outside this rather small circle (a different political party,
homosexuals (Terry’s favourite), etc.) you put on your judgment hats and go to
work. You think you have a biblical basis to do this. You think it
is Christian. It is called hypocrisy. It is what Jesus hated in
the Pharisees and religious leaders of His day; it is what Jesus hates in my
own heart (I am just as much an offender here).
Lance, I apologize
for leaving you alone on this forum but you know my heart and the struggles it
has been having with the hypocrisy and judging that this forum feeds on.
You know how I have fed on it as well. Thank you for forgiving
me.
John, a man who
commits adultery (even 60 times which of course in Clinton’s case is hogwash)
can still be a Christian. It is no worse a sin than your own
hypocrisy. You have confused moral behaviour with salvation. Note
that I am not claiming that Clinton was/is a Christian, just that your
reasoning is flawed. I expect a lot from you John. You could be
the leader on this forum. Many of your posts express the heart of
God. If only this same heart would beat in love with your political
views. The compassion you had for Judy is completely missing when you
speak politically. The same thing happens with Izzy and Terry.
Where does your love go? Why isn’t Christ allowed there? Why eat
from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil? It isn’t filling, and it
won’t satisfy your hunger for long.
Izzy, you have a
delightful heart; if it wasn’t for politics and the non-Christian love you
display when discussing them you and I would have gotten along much
better. Thank you for your kindness regarding my
illness.
Terry, your version
of Christianity that hates sin AND the sinner is the sickest and most satanic
form out there. Nevertheless, you are still included. May God help
you to love not only sinners but Christians that sin.
Be
safe.
Jonathan
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writes:
The latest effort to marshal
religious support also drew fire from civil liberties activists concerned
about the constitutional separation of church and state.
"Any
coordination between the Bush campaign and church leaders would clearly be
illegal," said a statement from the activist group Americans United for
Separation of Church and State.
One more thing --
apparently it is ok for Democrats to court the religious black vote, attend
their service for single purpose of gaining their endorsement and then
rejoining their true white and non religious friends. Tell me the
difference Jonathan.
As far as Clinton's claim to be a
Christian. Monica signed in at the White House over 60 times
!! And we all know what happened. Some argue
that what Clinton did in his private life is none our business.
And I agree. BUT, him sitting in the oval office with his pants
literally on the floor 60 or more times has to do with his public life and
what he was doing during the business day. In addition, the
several women he molested or tried to molest is an indication of one who is
not even trying.
He was not all bad as a President -- but
he was immoral to the core. And Kerry? This is a man
who pretended to throw his medals over the wall as a leader in the anti-war
movement. His actions have been proven to be a fraud. I will not
vote for him on that basis alone.
John
a
brother
