[TruthTalk] Hyperbole?

[Chris Barr]

\o/ !HALALU Yah! \o/  Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua !   Sent: 07/17/2004 8:25 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Hyperbole Welcome to the world of anti-Semitism.   Kay   If any one ever dares to question or criticize Jews or Judaism then that one is likely to be responded to in the above manner rather than to be given answer.   Is playing the race card hyperbole?   Izzy posited about hyperbole as a common teaching aide of The Saviour in His day.  A good observation.   Judy questioned this and in part of her questioning noted that historically the Jews have failed to keep the law of Moses.  Actually that could be argued either way depending on definition of terms.   Kay argued neither way choosing rather to play the race card -- a common yet dishonest practice amongst defenders of Judaism and Jews.   Slade, Kay's husband, chose to excuse his wife's error rather than to reprove her, and thereby continued along on his own erroneous way.  Slade erroneously noted To this day the Words are true: they kept the oracles of God (Romans 3).  Nobody called him on his error.  Romans 3 notes that Torah was entrusted "unto them".  Romans 3 notes their advantage is that they had access to Torah.  They "kept" Torah in the sense that they "had" Torah but "keeping" Torah in the sense of "obeying" Torah is another matter.  Many Christians "keep" The Word in that they "have" a copy of The Word but do not "keep" The Word in the sense that they "obey" The Word.  BIG difference ... then and now.   The simple Scriptural truth is that only a small number kept Torah (as in fact foretold in Torah) even as only a small number obey The Gospel (as in fact foretold in The Gospel).   Pointing out that Judaism was and is largely a failure as regards percentage of practitioners faithful to its tenets is no more anti-Semitic than pointing out that Christianity was and is largely a failure as regards percentage of practitioners faithful to its tenets is anti-Christian.  Rather, it is simply and only pointing out that The Word is true, and affirming the truth of Romans 3, "let The Almighty ONE be true, but every man a liar".   Ahava b' YahShua (Love in The SAVIOUR) Baruch YHVH, (Bless The LORD)   Chris Barr a servant of YHVH ----- Original Message ----- From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07/17/2004 8:25 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Hyperbole Welcome to the world of anti-Semitism.   Kay -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Saturday, 17 July, 2004 09:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Hyperbole Good Morning Lance, Would the Tanakh Translation include the NT?   If it does my question would then be. Why would a Jewish translation be superior when historically the Jews have failed to keep the law of Moses and they have failed to understand to the point of rejecting their own Messiah who was written about in the Law of Moses, the prophets, and the Psalms?    judyt     From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Izzy:Consider:'The Jewish Study Bible' featuring the Jewish Publication Society Tanakh Translation and, Abraham Joshua Heschel's: Sabbath (you've got it), I asked for Wonder, The Prophets.   From: ShieldsFamily I think one of the many things we miss, as Believers, by not having an understanding of the Jewish culture of which Jesus was a part is that we don�t understand scriptural wording as well as we could.  Hyperbole was an important teaching method for any Rabbi, and Jesus used it frequently. Just as someone from two hundred years ago would have a very difficult time understanding our wording today, we speak a very different way than they did two thousand years ago.  Today�s Jews still use many of those same expressions and teaching tools that Jesus did then.  I�d appreciate some teaching on this subject from Slade if he has the time.  Izzy   BT: Yes, Judy. I am aware of this translation. I think it is connotatively on the mark (Terry said something quite similar in his response a couple days ago). I do not think, however, that this calls for a redefinition of hate. The point is, this is hyperbole. Jesus is not attempting to add new meaning to hate; he is setting up a contrast by way of exaggeration.   jt: My dictionary defines hyperbole in rhetoric as 'a figure of speech which expresses much more or less than the truth, or which represents things much greater or less, better or worse than they really are; an object uncommon in size either great or small strikes us with surprise, and this emotion produces a momentary conviction that the object is greater or less than it is in reality. this same effect attends figurative grandeur or littleness and hence the use of hyperbole which expresses this momentary conviction' .... Jesus also said it is impossible to serve two masters because we will hate the one and cleave to the other; I don't believe He was into hype. This is just "how it is" and that's the way He said it.