[TruthTalk] Gay Marriage Roll Call Vote

[Judy Taylor]

Yes Terry, Amen. O'Reilly made a good point last night in his "talking points"  I had been hearing different opinions about the Martha Stewart verdict.  My walking partner thinks that Martha is a scapegoat and that what she did is no big deal (because everyone else is doing it).  Martha herself (though she lied and was caught redhanded) says she is innocent and will appeal even though she got a comparatively light sentence.  On his 700 Club yesterday both Pat Robertson & Terri Mewson agreed with my walking partner; he said it was much ado about nothing and did not glorify American Justice.    OTOH O'Reilly said that Martha Stewart is a "greedy, corrupt, and selfish woman" who followed her own rules.  He pointed out that the Founding Fathers were counting on the American populace to be morally self governing because when this country was founded there was no military or large police force to enforce the law. Back then a person could lose their livlihood if someone stole their horse or plow so lying was no small thing. People had to police themselves and look out for each other.  What have we come to?  Where has morality gone?   "If the foundations are destroyed what can the righteous do" Psalm 11:3     From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Once more Lance, get your head out of the sand.  You are lying to yourself.  Abortion has always been murder.  Murder has always been a crime.  Homosexuality has been a perversion since Sodom and Gomorrah. Sodomy is not a lifestyle.  It is a filthy disgusting sin.  God says so.  I just gave you those two examples to show you the idiocy of your statement.  We also had God in the schools as well as the churches.  We recited the Lord's prayer to start the school day.  Christian leaders were invited to speak in our schools.  Parents decided what was best for their children.  Now the child can get an abortion without the parent ever being told.  The teachers arrange it. Fifty years ago a woman could walk anywhere she wanted to, unescorted, without worrying about being a crime victim.  Now most women avoid walking anywhere unless they are escorted or in groups. Every state at one time had one prison.  California  now  has at least thirty, and is constantly building more.  Yeah, we've improved a lot.  Bill Clinton was a greater president than George Washington.  Both were the people's choice at the time.  That alone should tell you how much improved we are. Terry ============================================================================== Lance Muir wrote: Terry asks why I'd say such a thing..Way before you were young abortion wasn't a crime and, homosexuality wasn't a perversion. It'd appear that the 'sand' houses your 'head'. Just scan history.   Every century has had 'events' that precipitated these kinds of observations. It is likely that your (great, great, great) grandchildren will be making the same kinds of observations in a different cultural context. ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 19, 2004 17:14 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gay Marriage Roll Call Vote Why would you say such a thing?  Do yo have your head in the sand?  When I was young, abortion was a crime, Homosexuals were perverts.  Only a murderer or a pervert would consider the present to be an improvement over the past. Terry Lance Muir wrote: Things are not getting 'worse'. There is no greater 'falling away' than at any time in the past. In fact, the opposite is probably true as to both. ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 19, 2004 09:00 Subject: [TruthTalk] Gay Marriage Roll Call Vote From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I  have tried all the above, as have others, but it don't get better, it gets worse, just as the Word promises.  I believe that the great falling away is here.  It is possible that my grandchildren may be the last generation of free Americans.  It is also possible that they may be the last generation, period.  Some day the Father is going to turn to the Son and say,"Go get 'em, Boy".  No one knows that time, but it  is closer every day.  Terry   I see it this way also Terry and there is so much more going on than meets the eye.  Jesus said we shouldn't judge by outward appearance.  (John 7:24; 2 Corinthians 5:12).   In the US we have recently gone through a week of mourning with daily accolades about the greatness of the late 40th President Ronald Reagan.  Evveryone, including his own children spoke so well of him and the Marine Band played my favorite hymns at the sunset service in California when they layed him to rest.  Was this real or was it Hollywood?  I have been reading about the Reagans and have seldom seen such a mass of contradictions. For instance, they both looked to astrologers, he from before the marriage and she came to depend upon them later.  In fact this was one expense that Nancy Reagan paid out of pocket while they were at the White House where most everything was a perk and free (including her clothes and her travelling hair dresser).  He did not attend Church, he would say that his ranch in California was a cathedral with vaults going into the sky.  He loved a joke and his humor in private was said to be ribald.  The Reagans were estranged from at least two of their children for years at a time and family relationships were nonexistent at least until the end when things did appear to come together.  What Ronald Reagan was the master of is communication. He understood oratory and the use of humor, the pregnant pause etc.  I'm sure he was well-meaning but a follower of Christ??  Why is the professing Church so easily impressed and where is discernment?  .  judyt