[TruthTalk] Gay Marriage Roll Call Vote

[Judy Taylor]

From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy:In fact I do. It is what Izzy will hear 'George' do vis a vis Iraq tonight.   What is New Agey about George Bush - Are you going to accuse him of reading Harry Potter also? The accusation against him concerning the war in Iraq is false, he has been vindicated, see below:   http://www.iht.com/ihtsearch.php?id=530074&owner=(NYT)&date=2004071922011 William Safire: Turns out the '16 words' were right By William Safire (NYT) Tuesday, July 20, 2004   WASHINGTON: 'The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." - George W. Bush, State of the Union address, Jan. 28, 2003. Those were "the 16 words" in a momentous message to a joint session of Congress that were pounced on by the wrong-war left to become the simple centerpiece of its angry accusation that "Bush lied to us" - or, as John Kerry more delicately puts it - "misled" us into thinking that Saddam's Iraq posed a danger to the United States. The he-lied-to-us charge was led by Joseph Wilson, a former diplomat sent in early 2002 by the CIA to Niger to check out reports by several European intelligence services that Iraq had secretly tried to buy that African nation's only major export, "yellowcake" uranium ore. Wilson testified to the Senate Intelligence Committee that he had assured U.S. officials back in 2002 that "there was nothing to the story." When columnist Robert Novak raised the question of nepotism by reporting that he got the assignment at the urging of his CIA wife, Wilson denied that and denounced her "outing," triggering an investigation. The skilled self-promoter was then embraced as an antiwar martyr, sold a book with "truth" in its title, appeared every TV talk show denouncing Bush. Two exhaustive government reports came out last week showing that it is the president's lionized accuser, and not Bush, who has been having trouble with the truth. Contrary to his indignant claim that "Valerie had nothing to do with the matter" of selecting him for the African trip, the Senate published testimony that his CIA wife had "offered up his name" and printed her memo to her boss that "my husband has good relations" with Niger officials and "lots of French contacts." Further destroying his credibility, Wilson now insists this strong pitch did not constitute a recommendation. More important, it now turns out that senators believe his report to the CIA after visiting Niger actually bolstered the case that Saddam sought - Bush's truthful verb was "sought" - yellowcake, the stuff of nuclear bombs. The CIA gave Wilson's report a "good" grade because "the Nigerien officials admitted that the Iraqi delegation had traveled there in 1999 and that the Nigerien Prime Minister believed the Iraqis were interested in purchasing uranium" - confirming what the British and Italian intelligence services had told us from their own sources. But a CIA analyst opined "the Brits have exaggerated this issue" because "the Iraqis already have 550 metric tons of uranium oxide in their inventory." State Department intelligence also was dubious, reports the Senate, more so in October when an Italian journalist brought in a bunch of phony documents somebody was trying to sell him about a Niger uranium transaction. This outweighed the report of a top security official in the French foreign ministry, who told U.S. diplomats in November 2002 that "France believed the reporting was true that Iraq had made a procurement attempt for uranium from Niger." Two months later, with no objection from the CIA, the famous 16 words went into Bush's 2003 State of the Union. But when word leaked about the fake documents - which were not the basis of the previous reporting by America's allies - Wilson launched his publicity campaign, acting as if he had known earlier about the forgeries. The Senate reports that in his misleading anonymous leak to The Washington Post, "He said he may have misspoken � he said he may have become confused about his own recollection �" The subsequent firestorm caused the White House to retreat prematurely with: "the sixteen words did not rise to the level of inclusion in the State of the Union address." That apology was a mistake; Bush had spoken the plain truth. Did Saddam seek uranium from Africa, evidence of his continuing illegal interest in a nuclear weapon? Here is Lord Butler's nonpartisan panel, which closely examined the basis of the British intelligence: "We conclude that the statement in President Bush's State of the Union Address of 28 January 2003 that 'The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa' was well-founded."  E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Copyright � 2003 the International Herald Tribune All Rights Reserved   [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy:It's just this 'new age(y)' sort of interpretation (read spin) that you put on so many scriptures. Are you reading Harry Potter?   Since you are the one making the charge Lance, how about giving me some "for examples"  What have I said that is "New Agey" From my perspective you are the one who is always quoting Monty Python and different books and movies... so with a mind full of all that - I'm wondering if you would have an objective view of what spin actually is .......  judyt   From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy:Yes, I most assuredly would!! But, hey, if you're like into Karma and such then peace and love man (woman)    Who said anything about Karma? Why do you come up with all this off the wall stuff?  If you want to challenge me then show me where I am wrong in the scriptures. My belief is that it is appointed unto man once to die and after this the judgment. judyt     From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy:I get it. It's a kind of modified 'health & wealth' gospel. Close but no cigar eh?   You misunderstand Lance - why do you evaluate everything through the grid of some aberrent teaching or theology? Jesus Himself taught this.  He said that God causes it to rain on both the just and the unjust.  He taught that everyone reaps what they sow.  He taught that He is the Way, Truth and Life; the ONLY way to the Father.  I don't and never have endorsed the "heavenly Santa Clause idea"   but hey!  Arn't you one of the three who have gone ballistic over love? Why would you have a problem with this?    judyt   From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy:Rewarded 'accordingly'?? Just what does that mean?   The righteous judgment of God says that every man/woman will be rewarded according to what they do (it is the law of sowing and reaping) and this is going on daily as we speak. It is true for believer and unbeliever alike but the unbeliever (who is outside of Christ) does not inherit eternal life and has no hope even though they can live with some modicum of peace and have prosperity in this life.  All good gifts are from above.   judyt   From: Judy Taylor I don't recall Bill discussing this issue but then so much of what he is about escapes me. What do you mean 'source' of life?  It's true that morality can not be legislated individually but a society that is God fearing with appropriate laws will be rewarded accordingly.  judyt   From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Iz:  Bill explained it better than I could though not using the term 'morality'. It has to do with the source of/for one's life whether moral/immoral. The former would make for a better neighbor/friend but.........Get the point? From: ShieldsFamily Lance, I�ve been wanting to ask you this.  Would you please clarify what it is you have against �morality�?  Please define morality.  (To me it means making moral choices vs immoral choices, which means choosing sinless choices over sinful choices.) Izzy     Judy:O'Reilly & Robertson? Yikes!! No wonder America is going down the tubes.   'Founding Fathers counting on.." Again, yikes!! You'd listen to them (FF) over God? If they (FF) thought that then, they were wrong.   'Where has morality gone?' Nowhere! It's right where it always was. Religion & morality abound in Western Culture, especially in America.