Hi John:
I don't think either Izzy or I am saying what you appear to be responding to. I have 
no idea what your "unbiblical doctrine of holiness and perfectionism" is, probably a 
CofC thing. The scriptures teach that "without holiness it is impossible to please 
God" and that "without holiness noone will see the Lord" So what do you have against 
it?  As for Greek tenses and verbs - the Holy Spirit can communicate with or without 
them - all Greeks are not saved are they?
judyt

In a message dated 10/2/2004 7:05:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
Funny, I keep looking at my Bibles, and NONE of them say what you say they do.  Go 
figure! (Where were you when they were translating it?) Izzy


You test the bounds of politeness.  

What is wrong, Izzy, is that you do not admit to the most basic of grammartical rule.  

Actually, I will say this:   you cannot admit to the truth of the grammatical rule 
discussed below -- so you dismiss it while pretending that what I say below is of no 
account.   And, walla,  the unbiblical teaching of holiness perfectionism withstands 
the onslaught.  


This explains the matter.   


You might check my comments out in an English grammar before you so casually disgard 
them.  
MY Bible does not say “and keep on falling short of the glory…”� �  Sure it 
does.�  The verb in the greek ("fall short" )�  is a present tense verb.� �  The 
action of present tense is linear or contining action.� � �  "�  I breath to maintain 
life"�  is the same as "I am breathing to maintain life."� � � �  "I am eating my 
food" is present tense.� �  "....are falling short of the glory of God ... " is 
present tense.�  You do not have to be a greek student to understand "present tense."� 
�  There is no discussion of this�  --�  it is a very simple fact of grammar.�  


JD
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