John writes: Someone has probably pointed this out to you, Izzy, but your opening statement is not supported in scripture. The Holy Spirit does a lot of things but it does not interpret scripture for us. Not a single scripture you listed above supports your claim.
Izzy responds: Brother John, the scriptures I gave were intended to show Lance that God rebukes folks for misinterpreting scripture, and because they were given for our training in righteousness, you may assume that the Lord expects us to understand them. He does so by giving us the Holy Spirit (to differentiate between the spirit of the world and the reasoning of man.) Here is what you said, Izzy. Your explanation above has nothing to do with your posted comment here -- except for the last sentence. I can read what you Judy write. You two can deny what you say, but that does not change the black and white facts of life and literature: Lance, God desires for His children to understand scripture. That is why He gives us the power of His indwelling Holy Spirit. Nothing in this sentence about rebukings or misinterpretation. Nothing. I am sure that you can see how I would misunderstand your purpose. Judy adds: Amen! Whatsmore Understanding is paramount because Jesus Himself explained how he opens the eyes of some and closes the eyes of others. How does one suppose He accomplishes this? (See Matt 13:8) John: What does Mat 13:8 have to do with anything we are talking about??? Judyt: Read Matt 13:8-15 where Jesus explains to his followers why He speaks in parables. It is the opposite reason than most think after a surface reading and only those serious about doing what He says are given understanding enough to go further, the others fulfill the prophecy of Isaiah. John writes: Both you and Judy believe this. That is why grammar and logic and hermeneutical rules have no place in your (the both of you) theology. And they don't. Judyt: I wouldn't go so far as to say that John. I look up Greek words in Strongs all the time, it's just not paramount to understanding but they do help at times. John: You told me yesterday that grammar is Greek and the Greeks were pagans. Judyt: I made no such blanket statement John - you paint with a wide brush. I was not judging Greeks in general or the Greek language. Just trying to make the point that God can speak with or without the knowledge of Greeks and Greek. John: It took me lowe these many months to figure that out but this most recent exchange brought that fact to light. Izzy: John 14:26 “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.” What Jesus “said” (both before and after His incarnation on earth) to us is called Scripture. John 14:26 is a reference to scripture? John 14:26 is a reference given to all us and not to the Apostles? I think you should try to defend either of these two assumptions. Judyt: Jesus said the same when his followers were taken before kings and magistrates. He said the Holy Spirit would give them words to speak and it would not be them but the Spirit of God within them. Same principle is at work in present day believers and this is how the scriptures were written and translated. John: Don't you see that if God through the Spirit interpreted a passage, He would only need to make that presentation to one person and then ask that rest of us give credence to that single individual. Judyt: No John, the High Priest was a man under the Old Covenant. We have a different Covenant now and the difference is the indwelling Spirit and a heart of flesh. Our High Priest sits in the heavenlies at the RH of the Father. We are a body, brethren with one Lord in heaven. John writes: Judy -- lets not totally disregard logic. My comment is not refuted by your comment. And why do I say that? Simple. My comment has nothing to do with the High Priesthood nor did I make reference to it. Judyt: I know you didn't refer to the High Priest John, but you did say that God should tell a man and encourage everyone to follow him and I brought up the Priest to try and indicate (possibly poorly) that we are no longer to be following men - See Jeremiah 31:31. John: I was talking about your doctrine of God giving you the correct understanding of a given passage of scripture. If, in fact, He does this the only conclusion we can draw is that your interpretation is inspired and cannot be wrong. Judyt: So? We are not to be followers of each other, we are as individuals to study to show ourselves a approved by God as a workman who rightly divides the Word of Truth. John: Judy thinks her view is from God through the Spirit, but not so with Lance, or Slade, or little old me, or Terry or Jonathan, or the Gman, or DavidH or Jeff (who owes me a responding post, by the way) or whoever happens to disagree with her at the time. Judyt: The above is a lying assumption John. I don't think this at all and I would appreciated it if you would resist the temptation to keep putting words in my mouth. I rest my case !!! By the way, I do not treat you this way. So, let's stay away from the "lying" thing. Judyt: I am not calling you personally a liar John but you can be influenced by a lying spirit. I don't disagree with everything John: nor did I say you did, Judy. You might try reading before foaming... Judyt: What would make you think I am foaming? More figments of the imagination.. In fact some things I've read have been a real blessing. John: I am sure that this is true but on those occasions that you do disagree, often, you start speaking of divine interpretation Judyt: What's wrong with that? Just because I don't always write ravishing reviews does not mean they are unappreciated. John: Again, I never even hinted at this conclusion. 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