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Just imagine Judith on vacation sans Strong's? Wait
a sec..didn't that occur recently? Now we understand why there were few
accompanying 'texts' during that period of time. How does it go? Thy Word have I
hid in my Strong's?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: October 04, 2004 21:27
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Read it and
weep!
In a message dated 10/4/2004 5:21:42 PM Pacific
Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John writes:
Someone has probably pointed this out to
you, Izzy, but your opening statement is not supported in
scripture. The Holy Spirit does a lot of things but it does not
interpret scripture for us. Not a single scripture you listed
above supports your claim.
Izzy responds: Brother John,
the scriptures I gave were intended to show Lance that God rebukes folks for
misinterpreting scripture, and because they were given for our training in
righteousness, you may assume that the Lord expects us to understand
them. He does so by giving us the Holy Spirit (to differentiate
between the spirit of the world and the reasoning of
man.)
Here is what you said, Izzy. Your explanation
above has nothing to do with your posted comment here -- except for the
last sentence. I can read what you Judy write. You two can
deny what you say, but that does not change the black and white facts of life
and literature: Lance, God desires for His children to understand scripture.
That is why He gives us the power of His indwelling Holy Spirit.
Nothing in this sentence
about rebukings or misinterpretation. Nothing. I am
sure that you can see how I would misunderstand your purpose.
Judy adds: Amen! Whatsmore Understanding is paramount
because Jesus Himself explained how he opens the eyes of some and closes the
eyes of others. How does one suppose He accomplishes this? (See Matt
13:8)
What does Mat 13:8 have to do with anything we are talking
about???
John writes: Both you and Judy believe this. That is
why grammar and logic and hermeneutical rules have no place in your (the
both of you) theology. And they don't.
Judyt: I wouldn't go so
far as to say that John. I look up Greek words in Strongs all the time, it's
just not paramount to understanding but they do help at times.
You told me yesterday that grammar is Greek and the
Greeks were pagans.
John: It took me lowe these many months to figure that out
but this most recent exchange brought that fact to light.
Izzy: John 14:26 âBut the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost,
whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and
bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.â What
Jesus âsaidâ (both before and after His incarnation on earth) to us is
called Scripture.
John 14:26 is a reference to
scripture? John 14:26 is a reference given to all us and not to
the Apostles? I think you should try to defend either of these two
assumptions.
John: Don't you see that if God through the Spirit
interpreted a passage, He would only need to make that presentation to one
person and then ask that rest of us give credence to that single
individual.
Judyt: No John, the High Priest was a man
under the Old Covenant. We have a different Covenant now and the difference
is the indwelling Spirit and a heart of flesh. Our High Priest sits in the
heavenlies at the RH of the Father. We are a body, brethren with one
Lord in heaven.
Judy -- lets not totally
disregard logic. My comment is not refuted by your comment.
And why do I say that? Simple. My comment has nothing
to do with the High Priesthood nor did I make reference to it. I
was talking about your doctrine of God giving you the correct understanding of
a given passage of scripture. If, in fact, He does this the
only conclusion we can draw is that your interpretation is inspired and cannot
be wrong.
John:
Judy thinks her view is from God through the Spirit, but not so with Lance,
or Slade, or little old me, or Terry or Jonathan, or the Gman, or DavidH or
Jeff (who owes me a responding post, by the way) or whoever happens to
disagree with her at the time.
Judyt: The above is a lying
assumption John.
I rest my case
!!!
By the way, I do not treat you this
way. So, let's stay away from the "lying" thing.
I
don't disagree with everything nor did I say you
did, Judy. You might try reading before
foaming any of the above
have written to the TT list. In fact some
things
I've read have been a real blessing. I am sure that this is true
but on those occasions that you do disagree, often, you start speaking
of divine interpretation Just because I don't always write
ravishing reviews does not mean they are unappreciated. Again, I
never even hinted at this conclusion.
Izzy: You are basing
your opinion on human reasoning; not on Godâs Word. Everyone who is led by
the Spirit will agree with the Spirit. Where we disagree with scripture,
someone is not hearing the Holy Spirit. Who said I was disagreeing
with scripture? You and Judy (in this case). Now, what if I say
that you are the one disagreeing with scripture --- how do we
decide? The fact of the matter is this: "disagreeing with
scripture" sound never be a point in a discussion between or among
Christians. And why do I say that? For
starters, it is insulting. It is saying "I understand
scripture and you do not." It is saying that "I am more in tune with
God's revelation than you," whether you want to admit that or
not. Secondly, it assumes our brain was made for
secular understanding but not for spiritual learning -- a rather
silly notion IMO. third -- it is a very judgmental statement and
really speaks to the "I am right and you are wrong" fantasy.
Fourth -- what does it have to do with the discussion.
NOTHING. In fact, if it were true, the discussion would be over.
Judyt: Amen and Amen!! And I too reserve the right to be
wrong.
In the same breath, Judy says " That is what the
scriptures say" and "I could be wrong" (which, of course, would mean
that "this is not what the scriptures say.")
John: I am working on a response to one of your posts (Izzy)
and to Judy. In the meantime, I am reading and
listening. One thing Lance said that struck in a personal way,
was a criticism of those who assert "the Bible says thus and
so." I do this myself when in fact, I believe that it is always
wrong to say "the Bible says ...." and it is always right to say "I
believe the Bible says ....." Once in a while, I need to be
reminded of what I believe.
Izzy: John, if you directly
quote a passage, you can accurately say, The Bible says: ââââ..â .
Certainly but things change when you start with the
interpretation. One is inspired and the other is not !!!
............contrary to popular opinion.
A Cat,
Izzy
a
brother
John
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