Who is separating them Jonathan and what is wrong with the "mind of the Spirit?"  It is the Godhead isn't it and God is one. My point is that a man with spirit, soul, and body is just as much one as the Godhead with no part complete without the others.  Judyt
 
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:17:19 -0400 "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Hi Judy,

 

I believe that one must hold to a proper concept of the Trinity.  This includes the One and the Three.  I do not believe that the stress on the Hebrew mind for God being One nullifies the Newer Testament stress on Three, nor do I believe that the Three is absent in the Older Testament or the One in the Newer.  I believe that the concept of Perichoresis (mutual indwelling) handles this quite well.  It is seeing the Trinity in relational instead of static terms that is most beneficial (and Hebrew).  I believe that whenever we give primacy to one side over the other we tend to stray into error. 

 

I also am not saying that Hebrew thought is perfect.  However, I believe that Israel was the womb of the incarnation and that God supplied Israel with the mental furniture needed to begin to fathom God and His purpose.  I believe this was fulfilled in the Godman Jesus Christ.  It is because the Hebrew mindset was continually being refined in an agonizing relationship with its Creator that it is so valuable.  By studying this mindset the Spirit can refine our own minds into that of Christ�s.  I would suggest that the same process needed to break into the Hebrew mind is needed in our own Greek/Western mindsets.

 

We must also be careful in how we describe the Greek mind.  It is easy to begin by generalizing and saying that anything that is parsed or broken up is a result of Greek philosophy.  That would not be a truthful presumption.  It may be fair in some situations and not in others.  In the case above I do not believe it to be fair as it is not an accurate representation of Trinitarian thought.  If I said that God was primarily Jesus and only moderately Father and Spirit then I would be outside the bounds of Hebrew thought and into Greek.  For the record the complete (mutually exclusive) separation of Father, Son, and Spirit (tritheism) is a result of Greek philosophy.

 

JBH


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Jonathan, do you also see the Godhead as "broken up" Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? Where's the Hebrew mind's

wholeness there?

 

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:30:03 -0400 "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Slade I anxiously await your response to this one.  I am very grateful to a few people in my life (including Lance) who have pointed out how important the Hebrew mindset is to understanding Christianity.  The concept of wholeness in the human instead of the broken up spirit, soul, body, mind of greek philosophy is a breath of fresh air.

 

JBH

 


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I'll get to this when I have more time (like on Shabbat, perhaps).

 

-- slade

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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:34:21 -0400 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Judyt: To me this makes about as much sense as the right brain, left brain, New Age mumbo jumbo.

 

Slade says: Interesting perspective. That's how I receive Spirit vs. Flesh arguments.

 

Judyt:

I can't imagine why Slade; the reality of the fact that man is a spirit being is all through scripture ie:

 

Zech 12:1 "I formed the spirit of man within him"

Hebrews 12:9 contrasts the fathers of the flesh with the Father of Spirits.

Romans 8:1,2 contrasts walking after the flesh with walking after the Spirit

Galatians 5:19-23 contrasts fruit of the flesh as opposed to fruit of the Spirit

 

How does one explain these scriptures and the ones I haven't listed when in denial?

 

 

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