For the record Jonathan has not stated
that there is anything wrong with the mind of the Spirit, or the mind of the
Father. I did pick up the Pauline notion of having the mind of Christ. In the
future shall I mention all three in order to avoid being misunderstood?
Judy I wrote the post below 6 minutes
before you responded. I put a lot of work into it. Please do me the respect
of taking more than 6 minutes before shooting back your next attack. Digest
what I say. Wrestle with it. I gave you respect by honestly answering your initial
question to me even when I knew you were doing it only to attempt to catch me
in a bind. I saw it as something that may interest other members of the forum
as well as a chance for me to put my thoughts on paper.
I would suggest that your comparison of
the spirit, soul, and body with Father, Son and Spirit is on very shaky
ground. One is a triumvirate, the other Trinity. One refers to different
aspects, the other to Persons. One refers to that which is mutually exclusive
and divisible, the other to mutual indwelling and unity. It is an attempt
(first done by St Augustine) to make a model of the Trinity based upon humanity
instead of basing it on the revelation of God in Jesus Christ. I believe that
it is a useful but mostly harmful analogy.
JBH
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Who is separating them Jonathan and what is
wrong with the "mind of the Spirit?" It is the Godhead isn't it
and God is one. My point is that a man with spirit, soul, and body is just as
much one as the Godhead with no part complete without the others. Judyt
Hi Judy,
I believe that one must hold to a proper
concept of the Trinity. This includes the One and the Three. I do
not believe that the stress on the Hebrew mind for God being One nullifies the
Newer Testament stress on Three, nor do I believe that the Three is absent in
the Older Testament or the One in the Newer. I believe that the concept
of Perichoresis (mutual indwelling) handles this quite well. It is seeing
the Trinity in relational instead of static terms that is most beneficial (and
Hebrew). I believe that whenever we give primacy to one side over the
other we tend to stray into error.
I also am not saying that Hebrew thought
is perfect. However, I believe that Israel was the womb of the
incarnation and that God supplied Israel with the mental furniture needed to
begin to fathom God and His purpose. I believe this was fulfilled in the
Godman Jesus Christ. It is because the Hebrew mindset was continually
being refined in an agonizing relationship with its Creator that it is so
valuable. By studying this mindset the Spirit can refine our own minds
into that of Christ’s. I would suggest that the same process needed
to break into the Hebrew mind is needed in our own Greek/Western mindsets.
We must also be careful in how we describe
the Greek mind. It is easy to begin by generalizing and saying that
anything that is parsed or broken up is a result of Greek philosophy.
That would not be a truthful presumption. It may be fair in some
situations and not in others. In the case above I do not believe it to be
fair as it is not an accurate representation of Trinitarian thought. If I
said that God was primarily Jesus and only moderately Father and Spirit then I
would be outside the bounds of Hebrew thought and into Greek. For the record
the complete (mutually exclusive) separation of Father, Son, and Spirit
(tritheism) is a result of Greek philosophy.
JBH
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Jonathan, do you also see the Godhead as
"broken up" Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? Where's the Hebrew mind's
Slade I anxiously await your response to
this one. I am very grateful to a few people in my life (including Lance)
who have pointed out how important the Hebrew mindset is to understanding
Christianity. The concept of wholeness in the human instead of the broken
up spirit, soul, body, mind of greek philosophy is a breath of fresh air.
JBH
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I'll get to this when I have more time
(like on Shabbat, perhaps).
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Judyt: To me this makes about as much
sense as the right brain, left brain, New Age mumbo jumbo.
Slade says: Interesting perspective.
That's how I receive Spirit vs. Flesh arguments.
I can't imagine why Slade; the reality
of the fact that man is a spirit being is all through scripture ie:
Zech 12:1 "I formed the spirit of
man within him"
Hebrews 12:9 contrasts the fathers of
the flesh with the Father of Spirits.
Romans 8:1,2 contrasts walking after the
flesh with walking after the Spirit
Galatians 5:19-23 contrasts fruit of the
flesh as opposed to fruit of the Spirit
How does one explain these scriptures
and the ones I haven't listed when in denial?
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