... there is no logical need for such observations in discussions between brethren and sisterns. It is unnecessary chatter serving no purpose in establishing one's conclusions.
It communicates in a succinct manner that he led me to think I would find one thing, but instead I found something else. That can serve the help us communicate better. If the situation had been reversed, I would want to hear from him that I had misled him. I cannot understand why you would call it "unnecessary chatter" for me to inform him that he misled me.
John wrote:
If you felt "misled," then THAT should have been the primary issue. But, of course, you did not say that, did you? "Misled" was not about you (as in "I feel misled and this is a problem, Jonathan"). Rather it was an accusation.
Following is what I had written:
David Miller wrote:
4. You have tried to pass off this article as something other than what it is. I started looking into this expecting to find very different backgrounds of the people based upon what you have said. Instead, I found that you misled me.
You seem to be wrangling over words here. I try to write posts with concern and interest for the other person, not myself. Who cares if I "felt" misled. That is my own problem to deal with. If I felt misled, which I did, I communicate that with the other person by saying, "Hey! You misled me." I am not approaching him as my counselor or psychologist to try and have him help me with my feelings of being misled.
Was my comment an accusation? Of course it was. I made an allegation that he did something undesirable and I attempted to communicate that. Now I admit that I don't always perfectly understand people, and so my being misled might have been partly caused by a misunderstanding on my part concerning what he was trying to say. Nevertheless, if I was misled, there is nothing at all wrong with telling him that he misled me. You make the implication now that using the word "misled" has no place in the language of a Christian. You phrased it as a question to me, but apparently you were not really interested in my opinion, but rather you were trying to make your point in some indirect way.
I sure hope you do not espouse the wimpy brand of Christianity that refuses to stand up to wrong statements and wrong acts. Christianity is filled with wimps yelling, "judge not." They seem to feel that instruction, correction, rebuke, and reproof has no place in the life of a Christian. Please tell me that you are not in that camp of emasculated Christianity.
If this thread continues, I think we should change the subject line to be about whether or not Christians should reprove, rebuke and exhort with longsuffering. Or, the concept of whether or not Christians should judge? This seems to be what this is really about.
One last comment for now. Jonathan seems to appreciate the idea of a "Hebrew mindset." Well, perhaps both of you should check out a Yeshiva sometime and see how much screaming and yelling they do with one another in searching out the Scriptures. Western Christians today for the most part simply cannot endure sound doctrine.
Peace be with you. David Miller.
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