Re: [TruthTalk] TOE revisited

[Judy Taylor]

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:46:26 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Iff both you and I believe alike as to both Man & God then, I've misunderstood you. I read you as saying that HK 'had' a 'spirit' and a 'soul'. As to Gregory, you are correct. There's no contradiction here that I can see.   jt: What I've said is that HK is primarily a spirit being who has a soul and a physical body. As to Gregory and his perichoresis, what point is there in God dancing with himself, or any one of us dancing with ourselves for that matter.   What 'tools' you ask? David, I believe some software package(s). You, I understood to have a concordance and, some 'language aids'.   jt: Oh, thank you. Yes I have a Concordance and a Dictionary. Do you possess and use the same tools?   As to 'words', you've totally lost me. We both (all) employ them. They have meaning. Our understanding of those words ESPECIALLY IN SCRIPTURE differs.   jt: Because most Christians don't go to God's Word and seek Him for understanding. Laziness dictates too much of the time and they let others do their homework for them which is not good.   I am still waiting for YOUR response to the matter of understanding being partial and provisional AND that what you speak (teach) on some matters might be 1. a little bit incorrect 2. quite a bit incorrect 3. completely wrong?    jt: I can agree that nobody so far has "all knowledge" however, scripture is the plumbline and if it is understood there, then what is the problem??  Healing is in the atonement. Christ became a "curse" for us. Whether or not we choose to walk in God's provision is between us and the Lord.  Sadly it appears that everyone has their own truth these days.     On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:48:30 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I've always admired the research 'tools' used by David & yourself. This would be an excellent opportunity for you to employ them. Many, Judy, believe as you do on the nature of HK..(one, bipartate, tripate) I allign myself with 'monism'. God is One and we are One.   jt: What are the "research tools" used by David and myself that you admire Lance? You've never said anything like this before. I also believe that God is One and man is one - this is what I have been saying but I understood you to be a follower of those who have been influenced by and follow the writings of Gregory of Nyzantius(?) and his idea of Perichoresis or the Godhead in a divine dance which would of necessity take more than One.   Thus endeth the lesson ('til you engage in some linguistic homework)   jt: Linguistic?? I don't see the problem as being one of language. In fact, we are warned against striving over words  in scripture Why can't we agree to use the words we have been given in scripture and pray to God for understanding. Would this be acceptable with you?   jt: Can you show me your foundation or basis for these emphatic pronouncements about humankind Lance?   On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:27:31 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: HK is a living, while breathing, soul. HK does not HAVE a soul but IS soul.HK is not spirit nor do we possess A spirit. May I, preemptively, suggest that on this very important topic, language (original) matters. Hebrew 'monism' is our template here. Paul, in no way disagrees with this. On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:59:37 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Essence "Spirit, Soul, Body (Triune Being)" has nothing to do with he "Us" in the Creation narrative. Essence has nothing to do with God being "One." jt: Of course it does Slade. God is Spirit and Man is spirit; being made in His image is what differentiates mankind from the animals.     The Hebrew text (as a rule) deals strictly with action,i.e., verb forms as opposed to static "To Be" forms. For instance, Echad (One) in Deuteronomy 6:4 is a VERB. -- slade   jt: How IYO would the above change the fact that God is Spirit and so is Man?