Re: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me

[Jeff Powers]

Well now,
I think there is a wealth of understanding to be gleaned from the Rabbi's 
of old. They have helped me understand many points that I would have missed 
on my own. While I don't agree 100% all the time they have caused me to 
think!
Jeff

Life makes warriors of us all.
To emerge the victors, we must arm
ourselves with the most potent of weapons.
That weapon is prayer.
--Rebbe Nachman of Breslov
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 6:02
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me


So then, after some 20+ centuries of reading/living Scripture ya dunno?
(Slade, Kay, Jeff:40+ centuries) Do you devalue that which and those 
who've
gone before? I'm hoping that both form and content matter to all.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: January 03, 2005 18:55
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me


Jonathan wrote:
> I am continually astounded that those who have
> been termed 'liberals' on this forum are the only
> ones who hold to orthodox Christianity, that which
> the church catholic has decreed for millennia.
> The more we discuss the more we see how the
> 'non-liberals' spurn the faith of apostles.
Faith of the apostles?  Reconsider your history a little, please.  Your
doctrine of the Godhead is not the doctrine of the apostles.  You are
arguing from fourth century wrangles of men.  Even when the Nicean creed
was
first adopted, the churches did not follow it.  Athanasius was exiled
again
and again and again because of his extreme view of the Godhead. 
Following
the council of Nicea, the church was primarily Arian for the rest of
Athanasius's life with only a few years of reprieve for him here and
there.
The part of the creed that you want to emphasize did not even exist in it
until a decade after Athanasius had died.
The doctrine I hold is the doctrine of the apostles of Christ.  I
challenge
you to find any apostle anywhere that contradicts my teaching on 
anything.

The doctrine of the apostles does not focus upon the nature of the
Godhead.
That is like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a 
pin.
The doctrine of the apostles is that which declares who Jesus is, the
Messiah, and its emphasis is on men turning away from sin to believe upon
Christ and keep his commandments.  No apostle ever uttered:  "believe in
the
eternal Father and eternal Sonship doctrine or be damned."
Let me reiterate again.  I have not taken a position on the eternal
sonship
doctrine one way or the other.  I'm exploring the viewpoint.  I believe
that
there is liberty to ask questions about the nature of the Godhead and to
seek to understand it through discussion.  You seem to want to resort to
declarations of dogma and hit anyone who does not conform with cries of
"foul... unorthodox... departing from the faith of the apostles... etc."
Would you consider allowing us to think and discuss instead of insisting
that we conform to questionable fourth century dogma?
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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