Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Mormon Please

[Dave Hansen]

Kevin Deegan wrote: Be glad to discuss this with you.   To start let's look at John chapter 3 verse 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Do you agree: 1) Jesus was the one who said this DAVEH:  Yes. 2) Jesus is the "Son of Man" DAVEH:  Yes again.     Do you believe Jesus is literally the Son of Man, Kevin?  Was Jesus the son of a woman?  Yes, I think you would believe so as well.  Then do you believe Son of Man and son of woman are synonymous, Kevin?     Do you believe Jesus' Father in Heaven is a man?  I suspect not.....  Then why do you think he was considered the Son of Man?  Could his father be a man?   Then the question is; Read the verse and tell me: Where was the "Son of Man"? DAVEH:  I'd say the Son (Jesus) was on the earth, while the Man (his Father in Heaven) was in heaven.  I think that is well illustrated in the baptism of Jesus (Mt 3:17) when..... And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. ........clearly indicates Jesus' Heavenly Father was the one in heaven, while Jesus was on the earth.  Do you disagree, Kevin?  If so....do you think Jesus was using a ventriloquism to project the voice from heaven?      BTW........I am very interested to know if you believe Jesus is literally the Son of Man, Kevin.  And...how do you contrast that to him being the Son of Woman?  Do you believe Jesus' father is a man? Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: Jesus is Revealed in the Holy Bible as OMNIPRESENT John 3 the son of man who came down and yet is IN Heaven DAVEH:  I guess you'll have to spell it out for me, Kevin.  I see nothing in ch 3 that lends support to your theory. God the Father is Revealed the Holy Bible as OMNIPRESEN Does he not fill Heaven & Earth? These are clear teachings of the Bible DAVEH:  Give me some Bible references, and the let's discuss it. not some Church council or some Prophet.   All I need is a 5th grade education so I can read the Old Black Book DAVEH:  I'll ask you the same question I asked John........How much of what you believe about the omnipresence of God is based on the T-Doctrine? Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/21/2005 7:24:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH:  ???  Why do you think Jesus is omnipresent Well,   because He is God. DAVEH:   But why do you define God as omnipresent?  Is it due to the T-Doctrine?   JD -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.