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I think you are viewing this too restrictively,
Kevin. I hope you will come to consider it in a broader context. May I ask you a
couple questions? What kind of a priest would Christ be, had he not learned
obedience through the things he suffered? Does this suffering apply only to his
death? I think not: "For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is
able to aid those who are tempted."
Hebrews 2.14-18: "Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He
Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who
had the power of death, that is, the devil, and release those who through fear
of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For indeed He does not give
aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. Therefore, in all
things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and
faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the
sins of the people. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is
able to aid those who are tempted."
His redemptive work certainly culminated
into a great climax at the cross -- but it did not consist only of the
cross. For instance, as we see in these verses, the propitiation which he
secured at the cross must be viewed as inclusive of the entirety of
his life; for where would we be today without his priestly mediation? and how
could he be our merciful and faithful High Priest, had he not in all things been
made like his brethren to make propitiation for our sins?
"Though He was a Son, yet He learned
obedience by the things which He suffered. And having been perfected, He became
the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, called by God as High
Priest . . ." (Heb 5.8-10).
Anyway, I hope you will consider this. I
will not push it any further.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 7:48
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for
masters use
To sin once is to be guilty of breaking ALL the law!
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law,
and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Which would make Him guilty
and fit for HELL FIRE.
it was His death that ATONED for MY sin
"Without the shedding of blood is no
remission"
No matter how nice one may or may not seem. Before I was Born Again I was
an ENEMY of God
Rm 6 But God commendeth his love
toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ
died for us. Much more then, being now justified by
his blood, we shall be saved from wrath
through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God
by the death of his Son
RM 3 Whom God hath set forth to be a
propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare
his righteousness for the remission of sins
Col 1 In
whom we have redemption through his blood, even the
forgiveness of sins
Hebrews How much more shall
the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit
offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead
works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator
of the new testament, that by means of death, for the
redemption of the transgressions that were under the first
testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal
inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the
death of the testator. ...
without shedding of blood is no
remission
So we see we are reconciled by His death
We are justified by His blood
We are Redeemed thru His blood
He is the propitiation thru FAITH in His blood
D A Waite
The Bible is silent as to "HIS WHOLE LIFE" as forming any
basis whatever for "THE REDEMPTIVE EFFICACY OF CHRIST'S WORK." It was as the
"LAMB OF GOD" that He could "take away the sin of the world" (John 1:29), and
this "LAMB" was crucified and shed His precious blood (1 Peter 1:18-19) as the
atonement and sacrifice for the sins of the whole world! "Without the shedding
of blood is no remission" (Hebrews 9:22). To say that Christ's "WHOLE LIFE"
had anything to do with the "REDEMPTIVE EFFICACY OF CHRIST'S WORK" is to
partake of the HERESY of modernistic religious APOSTASY!
Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Westcott believed that the redemptive efficacy of Christ's work was to
be "found in his whole life" rather than in his death.
I am somewhat perplexed as to the "offense" of
the above, Kevin. I understand that you do not hold to the same view as I,
concerning the inward nature of Christ's humanity, but Westcott's
belief seems to be a "true" even under your view. What would it have
done to the redemptive efficacy of Christ's work if he had sinned at some
point throughout his life? Was it not via his whole obedience that he
fulfilled the Law? It seems to me that obedience to the Law was
very much a part of his redemptive work. Do you disagree?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005
6:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet
for masters use
Yes, unequivically! He uses 'rascals' like
those on TT so..............?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: February 19, 2005 08:19
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] vessels
meet for masters use
Would God use rascals like these in the translation or for that
matter any of his work?
The new versions come from W&H's contrived text.
First Nazi's, then Perverts and now Heretics as the Fathers of the
Modern translations.
http://wayoflife.org/otimothy/tl09000c.htm
Westcott and Hort held a vague or erroneous position on inspiration,
revelation, or inerrancy.
Westcott embraced the heresy of the
universal Fatherhood of God.
Westcott denies that God had to be
propitiated.
Westcott taught that men could be divine in some
way.
Westcott espoused evolution in various ways.
Westcott had a
heretical theory of man's sinfulness and depravity, believing in man's
perfectibility in various ways.
Westcott and Hort failed to affirm
the personality of the Devil, calling him only a power.
Westcott and
Hort denied that Heaven is a place, speaking of it as a
state.
Westcott believed that the redemptive efficacy of Christ's
work was to be "found in his whole life" rather than in his
death.
Westcott questioned the eternal preexistence of the Lord Jesus
Christ.
Westcott and Hort denied the deity of Jesus
Christ.
Westcott explained away some of the miracles of
Christ.
Westcott and Hort denied or gave a false meaning to the
literal, bodily resurrection of Christ.
Westcott and Hort had a false
and heretical view of the vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice of the
Lord Jesus Christ.
http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/rlister/wh/wh.htm
Westcott: "My faith is still
wavering. I cannot determine how much we must believe;
how much, in fact, is necessarily required of a member of the Church."
(Life, Vol.I, p.46).
Westcott: "After leaving the monastery we shaped
our course to a little oratory...It is very small, with one
kneeling-place; and behind a screen was a 'Pieta' the
size of life (i.e. a Virgin and dead Christ)...I could not help thinking
on the grandeur of the Romish Church, on her zeal even in error, on her
earnestness and self-devotion, which we might, with nobler views and a
purer end, strive to imitate. Had I been alone I could have knelt there
for hours." (Life, Vol.I, p.81).
Westcott: "All stigmatise him (a Dr. Hampden) as
a 'heretic,'...I thought myself that he was grievously
in error, but yesterday I read over the selections from his writings
which his adversaries make, and in them I found systematically expressed
the very strains of thought which I have been endeavouring to trace out
for the last two or three years. If he be condemned, what will
become of me?" (Life, Vol.I,p.94).
Hort: "But the book which has most engaged me is
Darwin. Whatever may be thought of it, it is a book
that one is proud to be contemporary with. I must work out and examine
the argument in more detail, but at present my feeling is strong that
the theory is unanswerable." (Life, Vol.I,
p.416).
Hort: "I entirely agree - correcting one
word - with what you there say on the Atonement, having for many years
believed that "the absolute union of the Christian (or rather, of man)
with Christ Himself" is the spiritual truth of which the popular
doctrine of substitution is an immoral and material
counterfeit...Certainly nothing can be more unscriptural than the modern
limiting of Christ's bearing our sins and sufferings to His death; but
indeed that is only one aspect of an almost universal heresy." (Life,
Vol.I, p.430).
Hort: "I have been persuaded for many years that
Mary-worship and 'Jesus'-worship have very much in
common in their causes and their results." (Life, Vol.II,
p.50).
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