Re: [TruthTalk] Albert Einstein & Karl Barth

Tue, 01 Mar 2005 05:34:43 -0800

LOL
go to the back of the class, leave the Theology to us, we are yhe only hope you have, you can not understand, we will teach you. You are the Laity we are the NICOlaitanes!

So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.



Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
When 'regulative beliefs' clash we can but praise God then, continue to faithfully serve Him. IMO, those such as yourself, DavidM, Kevin et al simply do not apprehend the issues under discussion. You see, Judy, even having a Phd is of limited value outside of the historical context of it's having been earned.(DM)
 
Bill, Gary and John has spoken with some clarity and understanding on the issues under discussion.It is sometimes wise, when not apprehending the content of a post, to either ask for clarification or, to leave it alone.
 
 
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Sent: March 01, 2005 06:36
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Albert Einstein & Karl Barth

Wait a minute - So the incarnation is for the whole world and the resurrection is only for disciples? Says who? Also who says the scriptures are not the "mind of God?"  Seems to me Jesus told the Jews they couldn't hear Him because they didn't understand Moses - it might follow that ppl today don't hear God because they didn't understand His Word (Jesus)
 
Why do Karl Barth and others like him think they must come up with new ways of communicating so as to humanize God who is Spirit?  Paul told the Corinthians that his speech and preaching were not with enticing words of man's wisdom but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power so that their faith should not stand in the wisdom of men but in the power of God (1 Cor 2:4,5).  God the Word took upon Himself a body of flesh so that he could lay it down as a sacrifice for us.
He did not come into this world so that God could be humanized.  He became poor so that we through His poverty might be rich.  He paid the price so that we could become part of a New Creation in Him.  Our faith is not supposed to stand in the "wisdom of men" such as Karl Barth.  Paul didn't speak in the words which man's wisdom teaches and he didn't promote the Hebrew mindset either; he spoke what the Holy Ghost teaches comparing spiritual things with spiritual (1 Cor 2:13,14).  However, natural men don't receive the things of the Spirit of God - they view them as foolishnessness and gnosticism because they are spiritually discerned. 
 
Karl Barth was a "natural man" - religious yes, but natural.  jt
 
 
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:25:19 -0700 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Two really big thumbs up on this one, g. Thanks.  Bill
[Kevin's quote:]
<<Karl Barth (himself)* [..asked CFH Henry responding to his question whether the resurrection was newsworthy to the common man] :  * 'Did you say Christianity Today or Christianity yesterday?'  [Barth] then continued by saying that 'the resurrection of Jesus had significance only for His disciples,' implying that it had no significance to the world. >>
 
 
certainly it is true that (the NT) resurrection HAS no significance for the world (now)--why would it while the resurrection of Jesus HAS significance only for His disciples?
 
ftr, i heard CFHH tell K's story, above, in his own words, in person; and, when i heard it i didn't think CFHH could understand what KB had told him..but, that day, listening to CFHH himself, and despite the air of animosity in circulation there, it registered to me that the bible is not God's mind per se , but God's mind in selected (sanctioned) ppl's thoughts..they (therefore we, as their listeners) are indispensible to God's Word..that this is God's will..that it implies that there is something holy in humanity, something of God himself  in us which has perhaps unfathomable implications for the meaning of history..that, e.g., history is governed by God 'in you', God in Christ, not in propositional (nonpersonal) (head trip) truths--not by axioms of the Mind, but by the Spiritual interaction of Persons and personalities, in Christ.. 
 
 
 
"..if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God
raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe
and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the
Scripture says, 'Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.'" (Romans 10, NIV)
 

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