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Sent: April 25, 2005 10:25
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re:
[Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell
Love without truth is spiritual harlotry - God
Truth without love is noise. The Apostle
Paul
Caroline,
You quote Emerson to evaluate Kevin? Emerson's
quote: "What you are shouts so loud
in my ears, I cannot hear what you say." Ralph Waldo Emerson - more appropriately evaluate his
own self - Poor soul was raised in deception which
apparently escalated in his own life. He must not have believed
in Adam's fall so was unaware that the "divine soul" inspiring
him was not from God. What good are all these beautiful words? If
they are not communicating God's Truth they fall to the ground and
are just stubble?
As for Kevin - I think you mistake his
zeal for righteousness with anger... jt
From Wikipedia online:
Emerson was born in Boston, Massachusetts, to a Unitarian minister,
later to become a Unitarian minister himself. He
gradually drifted from the doctrines of his peers, then formulated and
first expressed the philosophy of Transcendentalism
in his essay Nature.
The publication of Emerson's 1836 essay Nature is usually
taken to be the watershed moment at which
Transcendentalism became a major cultural movement.
Emerson wrote: "We will walk on our own feet; we will work with our own
hands; we will speak our own minds ..A nation of men
will for the first time exist, because each believes himself inspired by
the Divine
Soul which also inspires all men."
Emerson closed the essay by calling for a revolution in human
consciousness to emerge from the new idealist philosophy:
- So shall we come to look at the world with new eyes. It shall answer
the endless inquiry of the intellect, - What is truth? and of the
affections,� What is good? by yielding itself passive to the educated
Will. ... Build, therefore, your own world. As fast as
you conform your life to the pure idea in your mind, that will unfold
its great proportions. A correspondent revolution in things will attend
the influx of the spirit.
Emerson was noted as being a very abstract and
difficult writer who never the less drew large crowds for his
speeches. A common joke heard from his audiences was that they had no idea
what he was saying, but that it was beautiful. He was considered one of
the great orators of the time, a man who could enrapture crowds with his
own enthusiasm
If the person does not feel he is angry but
everyone else says it sure feels like it, then that person could
a) continue as he is because what other
people think does not matter or
b) change communication style to reflect
whom he really believes himself to be
"What you are shouts so loud in my ears, I
cannot hear what you say." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Love,
Caroline
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Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 3:06
AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk]
Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell
What if one is actually not angry but,
one is so perceived by others?
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Sent: April 24, 2005
18:18
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re:
[Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell
James 1:19-20 My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone
should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry,
for man's anger does not bring about the righteous life that God
desires.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005
4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re:
[Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell
They that hate me without a
cause are more than the hairs of mine head
WOW there just might be some OT precedent. Or was this added
also?
Why is it that the Religious" "LOVE" crowd is always so
judgemental and have a word of knowledge at that. Since you got it
from "the Spirit" it must be right. How foolish
Amos 5:10 They hate him that
rebuketh in the gate, and they abhor him that speaketh
uprightly.
I know that a modern 21st century
Christian is always positive always sweet like you. Too many
sweets cause Diabetes!
Correction is grievous unto him
that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall
die.
I am not ANGRY just hateful and that NOT without a
cause!
The fear of the LORD is to hate
evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward
mouth, do I hate.
PS 97 Ye that love the
LORD, hate evil
I have hated them that regard lying
vanities: but I trust in the LORD.
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight:
thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
I have hated the congregation of evil
doers; and will not sit with the wicked.
Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee?
and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate
them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
Through thy precepts I get understanding:
therefore I hate every false way.
Have I sinned in my words or just my attitude as you
see it?
Should I tone it down, be a nice modern
effeminate christian?
I guess you would have really been offended by some
of those old timers.
Even the Methodists.
Caroline Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
In high school, we were taught
there is only one answer to math equations and that there is a
law of non-contradiction. Later we learn electrons and light are
both particle and wave and that math equations can give you a
range of answers or no answer at all.
Kevin, as your sister, I feel
compelled by the Spirit to tell you that you're an angry person
and you enjoy being angry. This is dangerous. 'nuff
said.
Love,
Caroline
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 24,
2005 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re:
[Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell
You may like Coke I may like
Pepsi
BUT
There is only ONE correct
answer to a math equation
There is only ONE correct
formula in physics
Reality is
unrelenting.
What is true for you is also
true for me.
It is a good thing you sell
books not design bridges!
Engineering "mistakes" cost
dearly, so do Theological ones!
Or are things different up
there in Canuckastan?
Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And that, Kevin, would be your
INTERPRETATION of Scripture, would it not? Do we now have
two 'infallibles' on TT? (I mean only with respect to
this issue)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: April 24, 2005
08:09
Subject: [Bulk] Re:
[Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell
Hey we call all be right!
Except for ONE thing that gets in the way
This is ONE understanding
of the matter, albeit and, admittedly, the most
widely held ONE.
May I take a moment to pay
you a compliment? Your demeanour has been, on the whole,
most gracious in the last while.
thanks,
Lance
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Sent: April 24,
2005 05:24
Subject: [Bulk]
[TruthTalk] Hell
From: "Lance Muir" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> IMPLICATIONS
IMPLICATIONS IFF He (Jesus) wasn't communicating
what YOU think He was communication then, what will
you do?
I just found Elsman's response
to BillW concerning hell written a year ago today
which you may find interesting; he makes a good
argument and I like his presentation ..... all from
scripture - This is one of his finer moments
:-) So WDYT? jt
BILL,
YES, LET'S ALL
HEAD FOR THE CITY OF THE NEW JERUSALEM , ALL ON THIS
FORUM.
RESPECTFULLY, YOU HAVE A TOUGH SCRIPTURAL CASE
TO PROVE THAT THERE IS A SECOND-CHANCE TO BE SAVED
FROM SIN:
A. AFTER WE DIE.
B. AFTER THE "DAY OF THE
LORD", IF WE ARE ALIVE AT THAT TIME.
C. CERTAINLY,
AFTER THE "NEW JERUSALEM" COMETH DOWN WITH ITS RIVER
OF LIFE.
I ASK YOU TO RE-EXAMINE REV.21: 6-8,
WHEREIN THE DIE IS CAST, I.E.
THE SINNERS SHALL "...HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE
WHICH BURNETH WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, WHICH IS THE
SECOND DEATH."
THUS, I DID NOT SEE THE
"LAKE OF FIRE" DEALT WITH IN YOUR VERY CREATIVE ANALYSIS
OF POETIC LICENSE, AS SOME WOULD SAY. SURELY, THE
SINNERS WON'T BE LOUNGING AROUND OUTSIDE THE CITY
WALLS OF THE "NEW JERUSALEM", SOME SEEKING TO BE SAVED
AT THE LAST SECOND BY LAPPING LIVING WATER OF THE
RIVER OF LIFE.
INDEED, IT IS VERY CLEAR FROM REV. 22:11
THAT :
"...HE THAT IS UNJUST, LET HIM BE UNJUST
STILL, AND HE WHICH IS FILTHY, LET HIM BE FILTHY
STILL...."
IN OTHER WORDS, STATUS IS SET FIRMLY,
NEVER TO CHANGE WHEN WE GET BEYOND DEATH TO JUDGMENT,
AS HEBREWS REMINDS US ( "...IT IS APPOINTED
UNTO MEN ONCE TO DIE, AND THENCE COMETH THE
JUDGMENT...").
ALL THOSE MORMON AND CATHOLIC PRAYERS FOR THE
DEAD---AND CEREMONIES AND MASSES AVAILETH NOT. THE DIE
IS CAST AT DEATH.
IN SHORT, IF YOU EVER SEE A SINNER THAT YOU KNEW IN
THIS LIFE , AS HE IS HEADING FOR THE LAKE OF FIRE, YOU
CAN EXPECT HIM TO BE ANGRILY CURSING GOD, NOT COVETING
THE RIVER OF LIFE WATERS----EVEN THOUGH WATER WOULD BE
A BLESSING IN THAT LAKE, WHERE THE WORM DIETH NOT, AND
THE FIRE IS NEVER QUENCHED.
SINNERS ARE MORALLY INSANE IN A ROMANS 3
SENSE. SUCH IS THE ALIENATION OF THE UNREPENTANT
SINNER FROM HOLINESS-----EVEN IF, AS IS THE CASE, THE
CHRISTIAN'S ESSENTIAL HOLINESS IS VICARIOUS,
SUBSTITUTIONARY AND PROXY, VIA THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB
JESUS THAT TAKETH AWAY OUR SINS. HALLELUJAH!!! THAT IS
THE WOW, WOW, WOW!!!---THAT HE WOULD DO THAT FOR
US!!!
----ELSMAN, THE LAWYER ARGUING HIS
CASE FOR RIGHT-DIVISION OF SCRIPTURE,
FINELY-TUNED.
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