DAVEH: Sure....God does look like a man, Kevin. If Jesus
was the Son of man (Jn 3:13), then do you not think his Father in Heaven was a
Holy Man?
No; God is a Spirit (John 4:24) - Jesus took our
likeness upon Himself for a purpose. Psalm 91:4 speaks of God's feathers
and wings, do you suppose he looks like a bird/ a chicken
And, if Jesus' physical body was in the form of a man, do you not
think his pre-mortal spiritual body may have been in a similar
form?
No; before he took a body upon Himself he was God the
Word who appeared in His preincarnate state as
an angel, a cloud, fire, water from the rock. You
can't figure out God with a carnal mind Dave.
To answer your last question....yes, many things are created in a form
before they become the actual entity. If we were
created in the image of God (Gen 1:26), and we will be like him when he
appears (1Jn 3:2), then does it not follow that God looks like a man?
No; the "image of God" speaks of nature and
character. You are trying to mix the spiritual with the
temporal.
The temporal is passing away - only the spiritual is
eternal. Transformed bodies are part of it but this does
not mean that Good looks like a man. He did not
leave us any representation of Jesus, noone knows what
he looks like other than he wasn't all that good
looking. God knows our frame, we are such idolaters that
we would do the same with him as Israel did with
the bronze serpent.
As for him being
seen.....is there any question about it? The passages that suggest
one cannot see God are obviously referring to those who are carnal, since
there are Biblical characters (such as Moses & Stephen) who did see
God. Furthermore, Gen 32:30 pretty much illustrates that holy men can
see God, and live. Was it not Jesus who said.......
Moses didn't see God, he only saw his hind parts as
he passed by and even that caused his face to shine so
that he had to wear a veil before the ppl.
Stephen had a vision of Jesus standing at the RH of the Father but there is no
indication that he saw the face of God. He said that because the man he
wrestled with represented God. Do you really think that God Himself left
his throne in heaven and came down to earth to wrestle with
Jacob? It was an angel. Probably another
manifestation of Jesus in His preincarnate state.
Blessed are
the pure in heart: for they shall see God. (Mt
5:8)
...........Do you believe you can see God, Kevin? If not,
perhaps you are not pure enough in heart.
Takes more than presumptuous belief DaveH - It takes
a pure heart (that is what God calls pure)
Kevin Deegan wrote:
So what would he look like? a man?
Can he be seen?
How can you be in the form of a man before you become a
man?
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DAVEH:
No Kevin, I am not joking. I believe the Bible teaches that Jesus
was the God of the OT before his birth (Jn 1:1-14)....I assume you
agree. >From Jn 4:24, you do believe God of the OT was a
spirit....is that correct, Kevin? Yet that spirit had the form of a
body similar to ours, as is evidenced by Gen 1:26-27 which explains that
we were created in his image. Furthermore, Paul suggests Jesus is
the express image of his Father. (Heb 1:3)
Moses
even describes some of God's body parts in Ex 33:20-23, and whose
similitude he beheld as mentioned in Num 12:18. Do you accept the
literalness of these descriptions, Kevin? If so, does what I said
above make sense now?
Kevin Deegan
wrote:
How could he be God in the "form of a man" before he became a
man?
DAVEH:
God, in the form of a man consisting of a spirit being. Are we
in agreement on that, Kevin?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
What was he before he "became a man"?
Hos 11:9 I am God, and not man; the Holy One
in the midst of thee
DAVEH: I agree,
Kevin. Jesus was not a man before he was born. But, I
believe he was literally the Son of Man. When did that
happen?.....after his birth. Not only was he the Son
of Man, but he himself became a man, and was subsequently
resurrected after his death when his spirit body was united with a
physical body of flesh and bones to become an exalted man.
With what part of this do you disagree, Kevin?
Kevin Deegan
wrote:
If I incorrectly told you items about my wife
Hair color, likes dislikes, how we met, where we married,
where she was born (it was not Jerusalem : )
She would not be pleased. Her desire is that I know her.
God wants you to know him, He is a jealous God
He wants your love and affection.
If your description of Him is off, you are worshipping a
god of your own making
Hos 11:9 I am God, and not
man; the Holy One in the midst of
thee
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Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.langlitz.com
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