Judy Taylor wrote:
DAVEH: Sure....God does look like a man, Kevin. If Jesus
was the Son of man (Jn 3:13), then do you not think his Father in
Heaven was a Holy Man?
No; God is a Spirit (John 4:24) - Jesus
took our likeness upon Himself for a purpose. Psalm 91:4 speaks of
God's feathers and wings, do you suppose he looks like a bird/ a chicken
DAVEH: Do you believe you have a spirit as well, Judy? Does having a
spirit change the way one looks? If you do not believe God looks like
a man, then what do you think he looks like??? Do you believe Jesus is
in the express image of his Father in Heaven? (Heb 1:3)
And, if Jesus' physical body was in the form of a man, do you
not think his pre-mortal spiritual body may have been in a similar
form?
No; before he took a body upon Himself
he was God the Word who appeared in His preincarnate state as
an angel, a cloud, fire, water from the
rock. You can't figure out God with a carnal mind Dave.
DAVEH: Do you believe it is important to understand the nature of God,
Judy?
To answer your last question....yes, many things are created
in a form before they become the actual entity. If we were created
in the image of God (Gen 1:26), and we will be like him when he appears
(1Jn 3:2), then does it not follow that God looks like a man?
No; the "image of God" speaks of nature
and character.
DAVEH: Really?!?!?! So you would believe (don't let me put words in
your mouth) that we could have been born with 4 legs and a tail and
still been in the image of God?
You are trying to mix the spiritual
with the temporal.
The temporal is passing away - only the
spiritual is eternal. Transformed bodies are part of it but this does
not mean that Good looks like a man. He
did not leave us any representation of Jesus, noone knows what
he looks like other than he wasn't all
that good looking.
DAVEH: You are losing me on that one, Judy. Do you not believe Jesus
currently has a resurrected physical body that resembles that of a man?
God knows our frame, we are such
idolaters that
we would do the same with him as
Israel did with the bronze serpent.
As for him being seen.....is there any question about it? The
passages that suggest one cannot see God are obviously referring to
those who are carnal, since there are Biblical characters (such as
Moses & Stephen) who did see God. Furthermore, Gen 32:30 pretty
much illustrates that holy men can see God, and live. Was it not Jesus
who said.......
Moses didn't see God, he only saw his
hind parts as he passed by and even that caused his face to shine so
that he had to wear a veil before the
ppl. Stephen had a vision of Jesus standing at the RH of the Father
but there is no indication that he saw the face of God.
DAVEH: What difference does it make that Moses did not see God's
face. That wasn't the question.....Did Moses see God, and you
stipulated that he did......saw his hind parts .
So what's to debate.....Moses saw God and lived. God has a body
(you've stipulated Moses saw part of that body) which can be seen. Case
closed, is it not?
He said that because the man he
wrestled with represented God. Do you really think that God Himself
left his throne in heaven and came down to earth to wrestle with
Jacob? It was an angel.
DAVEH: Do you believe the hindparts Moses saw were God's hindparts, or
do you believe they were hindparts of an angel?
Probably another manifestation of Jesus
in His preincarnate state.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. (Mt
5:8)
...........Do you believe you can see God, Kevin? If not, perhaps you
are not pure enough in heart.
Takes more than presumptuous belief
DaveH - It takes a pure heart (that is what God calls pure)
DAVEH: You are losing me on this, Judy. So you do believe
those with a pure heart the shall see
God? If so, then why would you take issue with my assertion that God
has a body that can be seen?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
So what would he look like? a man?
Can he be seen?
How can you be in the form of a man before you become a man?
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: DAVEH:
No Kevin, I am not joking. I believe the Bible teaches that Jesus was
the God of the OT before his birth (Jn 1:1-14)....I assume you agree.
>From Jn 4:24, you do believe God of the OT was a spirit....is that
correct, Kevin? Yet that spirit had the form of a body similar to
ours, as is evidenced by Gen 1:26-27 which explains that we were
created in his image. Furthermore, Paul suggests Jesus is the express
image of his Father. (Heb 1:3)
Moses even describes some of God's body parts in Ex 33:20-23, and
whose similitude he beheld as mentioned in Num 12:18. Do you accept
the literalness of these descriptions, Kevin? If so, does what I said
above make sense now?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
How could he be God in the "form of a man" before he
became a man?
DAVEH:
God, in the form of a man consisting of a spirit being. Are we in
agreement on that, Kevin?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
What was he before he "became a man"?
Hos 11:9 I am God, and not man; the Holy One
in the midst of thee
DAVEH: I agree, Kevin. Jesus was not a man before he was born. But,
I believe he was literally the Son of Man. When did that
happen?.....after his birth. Not only was he the Son of Man, but he
himself became a man, and was subsequently resurrected after
his death when his spirit body was united with a physical body of flesh
and bones to become an exalted man. With what part of this do you
disagree, Kevin?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
If I incorrectly told you items about my wife
Hair color, likes dislikes, how we met, where we
married, where she was born (it was not Jerusalem : )
She would not be pleased. Her desire is that I
know her.
God wants you to know him, He is a jealous God
He wants your love and affection.
If your description of Him is off, you are
worshipping a god of your own making
Hos 11:9 I am God,
and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee
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Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.langlitz.com
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