Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS...

[Kevin Deegan]

Maybe Brigham was being a little vague in referring to him as a "God,"

 

"He is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do."

 

The prophets called him God and a bunch of your offshoots say that the utah LDS are apostates for not following these prophets.

Adam God is even in your standard works, hardly "a little vague"

It was taught in general Conference

�never yet preached a sermon and sent out to the children of men that they may not call Scripture.� Young 

It was doctrine not Theory

"Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation."  Young

It was taught for a number of years by a number of prophets

http://www.ldshistory.net/adam-god/ag.html

http://www.ldshistory.net/agtable.htm

http://members.tripod.com/hismin/Adam-God01.html

 

Here are scans of doc's and witnesses that prove Brigham taught the DOCTRINE of Adam God

http://www.irr.org/mit/WDIST/wdist-adam-god.html

 

Are you ASHAMED?

"Some of the sectarian ministers are saying that we Mormons are ashamed of the doctrine announced by President Brigham Young, to the effect that Adam will thus be the God of this world. No, friends, it is not that we are ashamed of that doctrine. If you see any change coming over our countenance when this doctrine is named, it is surprise, astonishment, that any one at all capable of grasping the largeness and extent of the universe, the grandeur of existence and the possibilities in man for growth, for progress, should be so lean of intellect, should have such a paucity of understanding as to call it in question at all."--Roberts, The Mormon Doctrine of Deity, pages 42-3.

B. H. Roberts, Defense of the Faith and the Saints, Vol.2, p.268
As to the doctrine of Deity, the "Address" declares: " But when the full doctrine of the Deity, as taught in Mormon congregations, is known, it will at once be seen that no Christian can accept it. In fact, the Mormon Church teaches that God the Father has a material body of flesh and bone's; that Adam is the God of the human race; that this Adam-God was physically begotten by another God; that the Gods were once as we are now; that there is a great multiplicity of Gods; that Jesus Christ was physically begotten by the Heavenly Father of Mary, His wife; that, as we have a Heavenly Father, so also we have a Heavenly Mother; that Jesus Himself was married, and was probably a polygamist--at least so it has been printed in their publications and taught among their people; and that the Holy Spirit is of material substance, capable of actual transmission from one person to another."

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Blaine:  Kevin, I appreciate your furnishing all this supportive evidence.  I knew I could count on you, Kevin, to give us the official words quoted as they fell from the mouths of prophets.  What I can't understand is how you can derive any other meaning than the one I have already

elucidated?  Everything said in your quotes supports the FACT that Michael was 1) an archangel in the pre-existence, 2) that The Father and the Son were above Michael in authority, and 3)  Michael was the chief executive officer, (CEO, if you will) under the authority of  the Father and the Son.  Maybe Brigham was being a little vague in referring to him as a "God," but he definitely was our father, and, in a sense, our God, in that he was the first man, and the progenitor of all of us.  Its all a matter of interpretation. 

 

In a message dated 5/24/2005 10:14:17 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Blaine says It is clear and consistent in all Mormon doctrinal treatesies on this subject that 1)  The man Adam

 

Tell Brigham, Taylor, Woodruff & Cannon! You just can't trust them prohets ya know.

Seems that many LDs for many years have been TROUBLED by who is who. But don't you worry. just ignore the contradictions. repeat after me....

"I know the church is true, I know the Church is true....."

 

Spring 1895 General Conference Wilford Woodruff  Cease troubling yourselves
about who God is; who Adam is, who Christ is, who Jehovah is. For heaven's sake, let these things alone. Why trouble yourselves about these things? God has revealed himself and
when the 121st section of the Doctrine and Covenants is fulfilled, whether there be ONE God or many Gods they will be revealed to the children of men, as well as all thrones and dominions, principalities, and powers. Then why trouble yourselves about these things? God is God. Christ is Christ. The Holy Ghost is the Holy Ghost. That should be enough for you and me to know. If we want to know anymore, wait till we get where God is in person. I say this because we are troubled every little while with inquiries from Elders anxious to know who God is, who Christ is, and who Adam is. I say to the Elders of Israel, stop this. Humble yourselves before the Lord; seek for light, for truth, and for a knowledge of the common things of the Kingdom of God. The Lord is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He changes not. The Son of God is the same. He is the Savior of the world. He is our advocate with the Father. We have had letter after letter from Elders abroad wanting to know concerning these things. Adam is the first man. He was  placed in the Garden of Eden, and is our great progenitor. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost, are the same yesterday, today, and forever. That should be sufficient to know. (Millennial Star 57:355-356, April 7, 1895)

April of 1889, George Q. Cannon General Conference: There are TWO personages, the Father and the Son. God is the being who walked in the Garden of Eden, and who talked
with the prophets. This revelation came to us in certainty. (Millennial Star 51:278; April 7, 1889)

FATHER ADAM OUR GOD  Brigham Young, in a sermon in the tabernacle in Salt Lake City on April 9, 1852, said: "When our Father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days, and about whom holy men have written and spoken. He is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." Of "His son, Jesus Christ," Brigham Young said: I tell you that God was the Father of Jesus Christ, just as I am the Father of my son." 

Some have grumbled because I believe our God so near to us as Father Adam. (JD 5:331)

How much unbelief exists in the minds of the Latter-day Saints in regard to one particular doctrine which I revealed to them, and which God revealed to me -- namely that Adam is our Father and God -- I do not know, I do not inquire, I care nothing about it. Our Father Adam helped to make this earth, it was created expressly for him, and after it was made he and his companions came here. (Deseret Weekly News 22:308-309, June 18, 1873)

Michael (Adam) was a resurrected being and he left Elohim and came to the earth with an immortal body, and continued so till he partook of earthly food and begat children who
were mortal (keep this to yourselves) and then they died. (Wilford Woodruff Journal, January 27, 1860)

SSHHHHHH   In the 1870 meeting of the School of the Prophets, Brigham counseled: "... the brethren to meditate on the subject, pray about it and keep it to yourselves." (Joseph F. Smith Journal,
October 15, 1870)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Blaine:  I guess I just can't resist breaking into an interesting conversation!!  Perry you are wrong when you say Mormons believe  Adam was both God-the-Father and Michael in the pre-existance.  It is clear and consistent in all Mormon doctrinal treatesies on this subject that 1)  The man Adam was Michael the archangel in the pre-existence, 2) that  Michael was third in order of authority in the pre-existence.  Both the Father and the Son were above Michael in authority.  Michael was the executive of the will of the Father and the Son, you might say. 

 

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