Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS...

Wed, 25 May 2005 02:06:52 -0700

Why does the Mormon Church mess with the Bible at all?  May just as well toss it for it loses all credibility in
the light of their prophetical voices and other teachings.  This stuff is occult.  jt
 
On Tue, 24 May 2005 21:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Blaine says It is clear and consistent in all Mormon doctrinal treatesies on this subject that 1)  The man Adam
 
Tell Brigham, Taylor, Woodruff & Cannon! You just can't trust them prohets ya know.
Seems that many LDs for many years have been TROUBLED by who is who. But don't you worry. just ignore the contradictions. repeat after me....
"I know the church is true, I know the Church is true....."
 
Spring 1895 General Conference Wilford Woodruff  Cease troubling yourselves
about who God is; who Adam is, who Christ is, who Jehovah is. For heaven's sake, let these things alone. Why trouble yourselves about these things? God has revealed himself and
when the 121st section of the Doctrine and Covenants is fulfilled, whether there be ONE God or many Gods they will be revealed to the children of men, as well as all thrones and dominions, principalities, and powers. Then why trouble yourselves about these things? God is God. Christ is Christ. The Holy Ghost is the Holy Ghost. That should be enough for you and me to know. If we want to know anymore, wait till we get where God is in person. I say this because we are troubled every little while with inquiries from Elders anxious to know who God is, who Christ is, and who Adam is. I say to the Elders of Israel, stop this. Humble yourselves before the Lord; seek for light, for truth, and for a knowledge of the common things of the Kingdom of God. The Lord is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He changes not. The Son of God is the same. He is the Savior of the world. He is our advocate with the Father. We have had letter after letter from Elders abroad wanting to know concerning these things. Adam is the first man. He was  placed in the Garden of Eden, and is our great progenitor. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost, are the same yesterday, today, and forever. That should be sufficient to know. (Millennial Star 57:355-356, April 7, 1895)

April of 1889, George Q. Cannon General Conference: There are TWO personages, the Father and the Son. God is the being who walked in the Garden of Eden, and who talked
with the prophets. This revelation came to us in certainty. (Millennial Star 51:278; April 7, 1889)

FATHER ADAM OUR GOD  Brigham Young, in a sermon in the tabernacle in Salt Lake City on April 9, 1852, said: "When our Father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days, and about whom holy men have written and spoken. He is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." Of "His son, Jesus Christ," Brigham Young said: I tell you that God was the Father of Jesus Christ, just as I am the Father of my son." 

Some have grumbled because I believe our God so near to us as Father Adam. (JD 5:331)

How much unbelief exists in the minds of the Latter-day Saints in regard to one particular doctrine which I revealed to them, and which God revealed to me -- namely that Adam is our Father and God -- I do not know, I do not inquire, I care nothing about it. Our Father Adam helped to make this earth, it was created expressly for him, and after it was made he and his companions came here. (Deseret Weekly News 22:308-309, June 18, 1873)

Michael (Adam) was a resurrected being and he left Elohim and came to the earth with an immortal body, and continued so till he partook of earthly food and begat children who
were mortal (keep this to yourselves) and then they died. (Wilford Woodruff Journal, January 27, 1860)

SSHHHHHH   In the 1870 meeting of the School of the Prophets, Brigham counseled: "... the brethren to meditate on the subject, pray about it and keep it to yourselves." (Joseph F. Smith Journal,
October 15, 1870)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blaine:  I guess I just can't resist breaking into an interesting conversation!!  Perry you are wrong when you say Mormons believe  Adam was both God-the-Father and Michael in the pre-existance.  It is clear and consistent in all Mormon doctrinal treatesies on this subject that 1)  The man Adam was Michael the archangel in the pre-existence, 2) that  Michael was third in order of authority in the pre-existence.  Both the Father and the Son were above Michael in authority.  Michael was the executive of the will of the Father and the Son, you might say. 
 
In a message dated 5/24/2005 8:01:49 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dave,

   If I am "somewhat close", can you tell me the part I am wrong about? You
always say if I want to know what mormons believe, ask a mormon...

Perry

>From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of
>Teaching LDS doctrine on TT
>Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 06:38:17 -0700
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>Charles Perry Locke wrote:
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>>Dave,
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>>   Christians consider angels and humans to be two distinct types of
>>created beings.
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>DAVEH:  Yes, I understand that.  Yet, it seems Paul is telling us that it
>is difficult (if not impossible) to tell us (mortals) apart from angels.
>
>>Correct me if I am wrong, but don't mormons consider angels to be either
>>pre-mortal or post-mortal humans? For example, don't mormons consider
>>Michael (the archangel) also to have been a human at one point...was it
>>Adam? Hasn't he also been considered to be the mormon god the father? So,
>>basically, one being can be spirit, angel, human, or god at various times.
>>Am I right on this?
>
>DAVEH:  You are somewhat close.
>
>>
>>Perry
 

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