Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:17:49 -0700 

From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I may be as informed on the Mormon 'faith' as yourself.


Yes, you may be. But that is not the issue.


Some years back I discovered myself to have known more concerning the LDS 
than the majority of those with whom I spoke.



What does that mean? I have found that the majority of the Christians I 
speak to do not even know who Joseph Smith is!



Furthermore, do you truly believe that they are "latter day saints" and all 
that it implies (and since you may be as informed as I about mormonism, you 
may know all that it implies)? Do you think that name which Satan has given 
them applies? If not, then why do you support Satan by using it? To use that 
name is to buy into the deception that is the mormon church. I use mormonism 
with a little g to not show any reverence towards it's tenets, founder, or 
inspirer, and to be honest, "Smithism" is probably the most accurate term, 
but I avoid it since it sometimes confuses other TT'rs.



I do not think it necessary to profane what others deem sacred. Do you?



  Necessary? No, but I guess that could depend on what they deem sacred. I 
have no problem profaning that which is of Satan.



 I am sure it is no suprise to anyone on this forum that I consider the 
mormon god and jesus to be false, and the religion in general to be inspired 
by Satan, as it bears his signature throughout. I have stated these things 
openly for about the last two and one half years, and use many opportunities 
to point out the blatantly false and often absurd nature of it.



  I do not believe that my question to Blaine, while it did contain an 
element of "cuteness" that I probably could have omitted, was any different 
than anything else I have been posting for the last two years. What was it 
about this particular post that got you all spun up? Is there something 
about my profaning Satan that stirs you up?



  Additionally, I don't think your posts have been totally without some 
condesension, and at time quite insensitive. Have your repented from making 
those types of posts yourself so that you can criticize mine?



  And finally, while you may not have considered my post to be in good 
taste, which it probably was not, it contained no ad hominem attack on 
either Blaine or his grandfather (or you, for that matter).


Perry




----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: June 14, 2005 13:41
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah


> Lance,
>
>    Thanks for your concern for Blaine and over the legitimacy and

> sensitivity of my line of questioning. My reason for asking that 
question

is
> two-fold. One is to relate to the rest of the group what potentially
awaits

> good mormon men who transition from men to gods and the women who may 
get

> chosen to be their eternal soirit wives. The second is to determine if

> Blaine has any insight or opinoin into his grandfather's current state. 
As

> for the "pitter-patter" of spirit feet, I thought that was a cute quip
based
> on the parallel earthly phrase meaning the same thing when earthly human
> children are born.
>
>    It is a common mormon belief that mormons can become gods after they
die,
> have spirit wives, produce spirit babies, and populate a planet, just as
> their current god, originally from the planet Kolob, did with his spirit
> wives and this planet, Earth. I know several of his offspring...Satan,

> Jesus, Dave, and Blaine, to name a few. I do not think that a mormon 
would

> find this question offensive, no more so would any Christian of whom I
> askedof their deceased grandfatherr, "was he a believer", implying all
that
> we believe happens to a believer who dies. Besides, it is also possible
that
> Blaine had heard from his grandfather from beyond the grave, as he did a

> great aunt, I believe it was, and knows the answer to these things. If 
he

> has received no message from his grandfather, then perhaps he has an
opinion
> relative to that question. For example, if he knows that his grandfather

> performed all of the earthly works necessary to become a god, then he 
mey
> reply with certainty that he is in such a state, although he has not 
heard

> directly from him. And, since Blaine is a big boy, he can respond if he
> wishes, or not.
>
> Perry
>
>
> >From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah
> >Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:57:12 -0400
> >
> >Mr. Moderator: This is over the top and, not necessary.
> >
> >L
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Sent: June 13, 2005 23:26
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah
> >
> >
> > > Do you think you Grandfather is a god now, with spirit wives, and
> >possible
> > > the pitter-patter of little spirit feet?
> > >
> > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Reply-To: [email protected]
> > > >To: [email protected]
> > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah
> > > >Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:15:05 EDT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >In a message dated 6/13/2005 2:09:44 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > >
> > > > >I  would think that we all choose to believe whatever based upon
our
> >view
> > > >of
> > > >
> > > > >the credibility of the "truth source" closest to us in terms of
time
> >and

> > > > >space.    I mean, if Blaine was "born a  Mormon,'  his first 
source

> >of

> > > > >"truth" would be his parents.   Who's he going to believe  --  
his

> > > >parents
> > > > >or some guy  standing cross the street waving underwear.  And, by
the
> > > >time

> > > > >he gets to a free thinking age,  he already has such a  
systematize

> >faith
> > > > >that little will prevail against it.    THAT'S NORMAL.    Blaine
may
> >or
> > > >not
> > > > >believe this -- but  --------------------    THANK GOD WE DO NOT
HAVE
> >TO
> > > >BE
> > > > >RIGHT.
> > > > >
> > > > >JD
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Blaine:  Good, JD.  I agree parents are critical in what  children
end
> >up

> > > >believing. I am very fortunate to have had good advice and  
guidance

> >from
> > > >my mom
> > > >and dad.    My grandpa was also very  influential, mostly by his
> >example.
> > > >He
> > > >served two missions (LDS) to  Norway, and another one to Spokane,
> > > >Washington.

> > > >He recorded many  miraculous healings, casting out of devils, etc. 
in

> >his

> > > >writings.  He was a  Judge in regular life, and often required 
those

he
> >saw
> > > >in

> > > >court to go to church,  the denomination being left to them.  He 
was

> >always
> > > >in
> > > >favor of religious  training, regardless of the belief system.  Any
> >belief
> > > >that
> > > >advocates  Christian values, he felt, was better than the value
systems
> > > >that
> > > >got people  into trouble with the law.  Nevertheless, he lived and
died
> >by
> > > >the
> > > >LDS  doctrines.
> > >
> > >
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