Jesus fulfilled the law by obeying each and every one; as we do when we are in Him. When we are in Him we are righteous; no longer needing the written law without coercing us, but having the inner witness within of right and wrong with the desire to do what is right. I should have said the Jewish ceremonial law is no longer necessary--there is no more temple other than our bodies, and all believers are priests. Izzy
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 8:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Izzy, I think you have stated an inconsistency. You say "The second sentence is incorrect." (The Law was for the Jew but no more), then you say "the levitical [law] which has been done away with". When "the law" is mentioned in the bible, it is the levitical law. Do you beleive that jesus came to "fulfil" the law? What does "fulfil" mean in the susne in which Jesus used it? What do you think Paul meant when he said : For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Rom 10:4"? Perry >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah >Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 07:30:17 -0500 > >The first sentence is correct. The Holy Spirit constrains us to keep >God's law. The written law was to teach us from the outside until the >Holy Spirit could teach us from the inside. The second sentence is >incorrect. The Spirit still teaches all who love Him to keep God's >moral laws (not the levitical which has been done away with since the >temple curtain was rent.) Izzy > > _____ > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 10:38 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah > > >It is not the letter but the Spirit that constrians us. The Law was for >the Jew but no more. > >JD > >-----Original Message----- >From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:39:19 -0500 >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah > > >As I have stated on numerous occassions, God's law is for God's >people--there is no Jew or gentile in Christ. It is forever. For >example, just because you are a Christian does not mean you are free to >lie, steal, murder, etc. Izzy > > _____ > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 5:38 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah > > > >A Heuristic Consideration > >The scriptures I have seen used to support the Law are scriptures >written to >and for and by the Jews on that subject. The Law is a late date >administration coming hundreds if not thousands of years after the creation >event. When it was presented to "mankind," it was given to an extremely >small part of "mankind." The Old Testament is not the story (IMO) of >the >people of God verses the condemned. Rather, it is the story of the >people of God AS DEFINED BY THE MOSICAL COVENANT exclusive of any other >anthropological consideration. There is no reason to believe that the >rest of mankind is lost and hell bound because they were not Jewish. >In fact, in Romans 2 gives us a little insight into just how things may >have worked for the 90% of humanity who were never given the Law. Paul >makes it clear (I believe) that th e purpose of the Law was best seen >in the fact that it served as a tutor until the coming of >Christ................. who, in turn, reconciled the 10% (the Jew) with >the 90% (everyone else on earth). > > >Perhaps I have not stated things as accurately as I might - being a >pastor and not a theologian. But the above needs to be considered as >we formulate our opinions on The Law. > >JD > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:50:18 -0500 >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah > > >How many times must we post scriptures that explain that God?s law is >the Bible, cover to cover, and will never pass away? Or that Jesus >told us that if we love Him we will obey His law? Etc. Etc. Etc. I >won?t waste my times posting it all or quoting it all again. Our >righteousness in Christ never nullified or vilified God?s law. Don?t >trash what God loves. This admonition is for those who have ears to >hear. Izzy > > _____ > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 12:13 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah > > >The following is the substantive part of the post: Whenever you call >God?s law a garbage dump you heap judgment on yourself. First, I do not see >Linda Shield's characterization of G's wording, but that aside, the >view >I have of scripture regarding The Law is this: it was given to the Jews >and to the Jews only -- never was it intended to be that by which the >larger community of man was to be judged. It was fulfilled by a Jew >bearing t he essence of an incarnate God and in this fulfillment, taken >out of consideration -- if we are dealing with the issue of "that >which judges >man." In the grace of God and His tender mercies, we are "judged" in >Christ and that judgment presents us "right eous" before the Father. >Good >news, indeed !!! > > >JD >-----Original Message----- >From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:48:14 -0500 >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah >Whenever you call God?s law a garbage dump you heap judgment on yourself. >Feeling blessed? Or would you even recognize what God?s blessings felt >like?or miss it if you weren?t? Izzy > > _____ > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 8:34 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah > >ppl already know what you call it > >On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:21:09 -0400 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >writes: > >It's called letting God be God in the lives of others ... nothing >'touchy or feely' about it except in your head Gary. > >On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 08:09:35 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >myth (typical revivalism--touchy feely goop over a 'righteous' >philosophical >wasteland, like snow falling on a garbage dump) > >On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 09:50:09 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >|| >-----Original Message----- >From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [email protected] >Cc: [email protected] >Sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 09:03:18 -0400 >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah >If God is convicting you personallyabout your part in this I can >appreciate that and you will find no condemnation from me. However, I >would very much appreciate you giving the rest of us the same >consideration because it is the work of the Holy Spirit to convict of >sin, righteousness, and the judgment to come. > > > > > ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
