Re: [TruthTalk] Belief

[Dave Hansen]

David Miller wrote: DaveH wrote: Why it is easy for many Christian to accept that God was a man, but hard to accept that man can become like and one with God is what puzzles me. David Miller wrote: I don't have a problem with the idea of man becoming like and one with God. I do have a problem with the idea of man becoming God. Do you understand the difference? DAVEH: I do know know how you perceive the difference, but would be most interested to hear your perspective. To become one with God is to abide in the attitude Jesus had: John 5:19 "The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." However, to become God would suggest an attitude that Lucifer took, which was: "who needs God" or "hath God said"? To become God would imply an independence from God whereas to become one with God implies an eternal dependence upon him. DAVEH:  I'm not following your logic on that one, DavidM.  Jesus becoming God (if that is the proper way to describe it....I'm pondering the way you described Jesus in a parallel post being less than angels at one point) in the fullest sense does not suggest he was trying to be independent from his Father.  Scripture suggests exactly the opposite.  Jesus reverenced his Father in Heaven.   So I don't see why you think our progression towards becoming as God would suggest that we become anything but one with him.  That is the difference between those who follow Jesus and those who don't.  If we truly do as the Lord wants us to do, we become like him, and one with him, eschewing everything pertaining to those who follow Satan.  Our (goal of becoming) oneness with God has absolutely nothing to to with becoming independent from God....it is quite the opposite, as I understand the message of the Bible.     It seems to me that just because Lucifer took a road of opposition and sought to usurp the power of God, you are presuming that anybody who desires to follow the commandments (effectively to become like God) is also trying to usurp his power and glory.  (And I am sure you don't think that way.)   I think Jn 17 suggests otherwise....becoming one with God implies sharing his glory as we become like him.  As I see it, your assumption that to become (like) God is only applicable to those opposed to God (as was Lucifer) is bad logic.  IOW...Concluding that becoming God is only something that one who wants to be independent of God (as was Lucifer's goal) doesn't make sense to me.  Do you have any Biblical evidence to suggest such, or is this just a supposition presumed by most Christians? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.