None of the above (or, below in this case). DM has rightly stated along with sister Judy that we don't wish to reflect the kind of thinking those folks in the early chuch exhibited when they dared to arrive at conclusions concerning the Jesus thingy which subsequently became codified in credal statements. I believe that both of the above, along with you, Kevin et al wish for us to 'trust the Spirit' to show us what the Scriptures teach (mean) lest we fall prey to false teachers (those who say the Spirit told them of another meaning).
----- Original Message ----- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: July 03, 2005 09:21 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection > Lance, could it be that you can't relate to those "dramatic" words because > you have no deep sense of right and wrong? Or that you are not grieved > within by a brother in faith when he misses the mark? Is the only real drama > in your life via the movies? iz > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 7:11 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection > > DM falls prey to drama when employing terminology such as 'shocked' and > 'wrong'. Relax Terry, he's just offering 'his' take on the matter. Maybe > yes. Maybe no. With the latitude David's expressed in the last while, I have > every confidence that such an expression of theological exactitude is his > version of a 'smiley'. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: July 03, 2005 08:46 > Subject: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection > > > > Terry wrote: > > > When God gave Moses the law, He knew that > > > it could not be kept. It was an impossible goal. > > > Something to strive for, but never attainable. > > > I see the command to be perfect in the same light. > > > We strive to be perfect. Some come closer than > > > others, but we all come short. It is an impossible > > > goal. God knows that. It is to show us our > > > shortcomings, our need for a Savior, who was > > > perfect and took our place. > > > > Terry, I am shocked by what you have just written. Never have I seen you > > post something so wrong. You put the New Covenant on the same footing as > > the Old Covenant! > > > > Please reconsider in light of Scripture. Hebrews 6:1 tells us to go on > unto > > perfection: > > > > Hebrews 6:1 > > (1) Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go > on > > unto perfection; not laying again the foundation ... > > > > And the author does not speak about this in unobtainable terms, but > > contrasts how what was unattainable under the Old Covenant is accomplished > > by faith in Christ. > > > > Hebrews 7:19 > > (19) For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better > hope > > did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. > > > > There are many other passages, but perhaps we should start with one. > > Clearly you can see a difference between what is possible under the two > > covenants. They are not on the same footing when it comes to > righteousness > > and perfection. > > > > Also note that Paul speaks about himself and other believers being perfect > > in the following passages: > > > > Philippians 3:15 > > (15) Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in > any > > thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. > > > > 1 Corinthians 2:6-7 > > (6) Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the > wisdom > > of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: > > (7) But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, > > which God ordained before the world unto our glory: > > > > Peace be with you. > > David Miller. > > > > ---------- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know > how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
