If ever I read/spoke to anyone who did NOT glory in HIS wisdom, it'd be Bill Taylor.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: July 05, 2005 18:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible > Bill wrote: > > "But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for > > us wisdom from God -- and righteousness and > > sanctification and redemption" > > --1Corinthians 1.30 > > Ah, but Bill you stop too early. Read to the next > verse which says: > > 1Co 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that > glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. > > Christ is the only means by which we may see wisdom > and righteousness and santification, and it's > important to keep this in mind, lest the wise man > mistakenly glory in his wisdom, or the mighty man > glory in his might, or the rich man glory in his > riches (Jer. 9:23). > > We are righteous just as the rich man spoken of by > Jeremiah is wealthy. By your interpretation of this > verse, the rich man is made rich with I.O.U.'s. He is > rich today by the promise of wealth tomorrow. > > If God tells me he has made me a rich woman, and > furthermore He says He expects me to live luxuriously, > I should expect some serious cash in my pocket right > now. And some massive pockets too, by the way. > > > Blessings! > > --- Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Judy writes > And Dave lest they forget you should > > also be aware that God has extremely bad eyesight so > > that he does not see any imperfection in these ppl > > with the eschatalogical salvation. All he can see is > > the "eternal son" - so this kind of christianity > > doesn't have to do anything but exist in their > > fallen state. They will make it because of his > > faith, his righteousness, his obedience, and his > > resurrection. > > > > The main problem with all this is that this is NOT > > the Jesus of the Bible. > > > > "But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for > > us wisdom from God -- and righteousness and > > sanctification and redemption" > > --1Corinthians 1.30 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Judy Taylor > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 1:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:02:37 -0400 "Lance Muir" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > EVERY MAN, DAVID, IS IMPERFECT EVEN AFTER > > REDEMPTION ONLY THE > > REDEEMER IS > > PERFECT, DAVID. We participate in that which He, > > the second Adam > > lived out > > from conception to ascension on our behalf. Our > > 'imperfections' are > > visible > > to ourselves and to those about us, though > > redeemed. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: July 05, 2005 14:24 > > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible > > > > > > > > > > DAVEH: It seems to me that your below > > non-religious examples are > > > > illogical, DavidM. Let me give you an > > example. If I were to ask > > > you, > > > > "Are you perfect before God?", you might > > answer from your > > > perspective, > > > > "Yes." > > > > > > > > If on the other hand, I were to ask God, > > "Is DavidM is > > > perfect?", he > > > > might view it differently. > > > > > > > > Do you see what I am getting at? If you > > ask the guy who had > > > the car > > > > painted if it is perfect, while he may say > > "yes", the guy painting > > > the > > > > car may have another contrasting perspective. > > > > > > > > God is not asking us if we are perfect, > > he is commanding us > > > to be > > > > such. The question becomes what does > > perfection mean. > > > Fortunately, he > > > > qualifies it so that we don't have to worry > > about what or how man > > > has > > > > defined perfection. As stated in Matthew, > > whatever perfection > > > there is > > > > in God, that is how he commanded us to become. > > > > > > > > David Miller wrote: > > > > > > > > > Christianity has been enamored by Calvin's > > teachings > > > > >and influence to portray every man as > > imperfect even after > > > redemption. > > > > > > > > > >Look at the word "perfect" in non-religious > > contexts. Someone > > > eats a > > > really > > > > >good hamburger. They exclaim, "That burger > > was perfect! It > > > could not > > > have > > > > >been made any better." Someone pays someone > > to paint their car > > > a > > > certain > > > > >color and has very exact requirements. He > > picks the car up and > > > the > > > painter > > > > >asks, "so, how do you like it?" The reply, > > "it is perfect!" > > > > > > > > > >On and on, we can come up with examples like > > this where we use > > > the word > > > > >perfect to mean that something is precisely > > according to our > > > hopes and > > > > >expectations, but when it comes to our > > morality and our walk with > > > God, > > > > >somehow the word "perfect" suddenly becomes > > taboo. Why, nobody > > > can claim > > > > >that they truly walk without sinning against > > their neighbor! > > > This has > > > more > > > > >to do with our culture walking in apostasy > > toward God and our > > > desire to > > > > >excuse that apostasy than any change in the > > language of > > > Scripture. It > > > has > > > > >more to do with our departure from what the > > Word of God teaches > > > us about > > > our > > > > >completeness and perfection in Christ than > > with any change in the > > > meaning > > > of > > > > >the word "perfect." > > > > > > > > > >Peace be with you. > > > > >David Miller. > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > >"Let your speech be always with grace, > > seasoned with salt, that > > > you may > > > know how you ought to answer every man." > > (Colossians 4:6) > > > http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > > > > > > >If you do not want to receive posts from this > > list, send an email > > > to > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be > > unsubscribed. 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