Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

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On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 05:34:58 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Judy  --   rather than lobbing bombs at BT  -- 

 

Noone is lobbing bombs to anyone from my computer JD - imagination gone wild I suppose.

 

why not state your disagreement and offer your reasoning as the contrast  WITHOUT making it sound like BT is the enemy. 

 

Now this is rich JD - who is the one constantly accusing me of evil motives? 

 

Where and when did I accuse you of "evil motives."  Are you a sinner?

Sure thing.   Are you evil  --   I don't think so.   Speak truth, Judy.  

 

Further,  some of your questioning below makes it sound as though you believe that Christ is "up there somewhere" and we are down here

 

Yes, This is true. He indwells a resurrected body at the right hand of the Father in the third heavens - which is definitely "up there somewhere" - and Bill, you and I are down here.

 

Obvious question:   what of the Holy Spirit.   You do know that your theology is so different,   I really haven't a clue as to what you believe.  But it is as interesting a conversation as those with our Mormon friends!

 

 

 

AND that His work of saving man in the sight and mind of His Father is somehow incomplete.......

 

It is for those who refuse to change allegiance and part with the old master/husband

 

Who do you think we are talking about, Judy.  Some old reprobate who rejects the Christ and rebells against all that He stands for and wants us to be?   Are you saying that you think we are holding up those who have an allegiance with something or someone other than God.   Come on!!!

 

that God in Christ is only about the hope of salvation   -------------   and nothing more 

 

Exactly - It is Christ in you - the HOPE of glory. Goint further than God does is presumption.

 

Wow  -- you deny His eternal sonship, the notion that He wa s"God on earth" and now the efficacy of His Eternal Assignment!!!

 

.....He did His part but that did not save a single soul  --    the rest is up to us!!! 

 

He knows those who are his in contrast to some of the most vocal here - "And let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity."   

 

If you guys can't see the beam in your own eyes,  

 

Oh? So those of us who don't see things your way have beams now?

 

I was actually referencing something Christ said.  

 

how in the world do you honestly think you are going to share in this process of "becoming" that is, in fact, the Message of the Gospel?   JD

 

By obedience which is continuing in His Word which is how one becomes His disciple; by walking after the spirit daily and not fulfilling the lust of the flesh; by putting off the old man and putting on the armour of light theLord Jesus Christ; by taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ; by drawing nigh to God and resisting the devil so that he will fless; by being spiritually minded which is life and peace; by giving all diligence to add to my faith virtue; and to virtue the right kind of knowledge, and to knowledge temperance, and to temperance patience, and to patience godliness, and to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love - for a start.  jt

 

I believe "His Word " is Him  --  you believe that His Word is the KJV of the codex determined by the early church FAthers.   AAAAhhhhheeeeeeemmmm. 

 

 

From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bill in Green.

From: Judy Taylor

On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:46:26 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

It is not he who credits the Lord for his entire salvation who is "glorying" (i.e., boasting) but rather she who wants to take some of the credit herself, as in, "Jesus did His part ... but we have our part in this also, He can't take care of our part ..." 

 

Well Bill - explain to me how Jesus who is in heaven at the right hand of the Father and walk after the Spirit for you every day?

 

Via the Holy Spirit, you know, "Christ in us, the hope of glory."

 

and explain to me how Jesus who is at the right hand of the Father can cast down imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself

in your mind bringing every thought into obedience without your cooperation. 

 

How is it that you move from our statement, "We participate in ..." to yours that these things take place "without [our] cooperation"? Did you draw a blank here or are you deliberately misrepresenting our position?

 

  True he went to the cross to do what you couldn't do for yourself.  Now how is he going to accomplish this other part (that you can do for yourself) from heaven?

 

Firstly, I do not agree with you that I can do anything to add to what Christ has already accomplished on my (our) behalf: "But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God -- and righteousness and sanctification and redemption."  Secondly, have you ever heard of the mediation of Christ? That is how.

BT: Ours is not a "do nothing stance", Judy; nor have we presented it as such. Rather it is as Lance stated: "We participate in that which He, the second Adam lived out from conception to ascension on our behalf." Bill

jt: Sure sounds that way from here. He lived his life fulfilling God's law - he went to the cross - he ascended.  So what is your part in all of it? How does this make you an overcomer in your own life?  jt

"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." -- Galatians 2:20

Bill

"But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God -- and righteousness and sanctification and redemption" --1Corinthians 1.30