From: "Lance Muir":
Mr. Moderator: God alone knows who those are who participate in Christ
actively and consciously (those who are 'born from above). IMO all such
express their understanding of the One who made this possible (The One and
only Lord, Jesus, God with us) along with their experience of Him)
partially
and inadequately (He and our experience of Him transcend human vocabulary).
I agree. We can speak truthfully only about that which has been revealed
to us. Everything else is our personal interpretation. But, they way we
correct what we may feel is an incorrect understanding or interpretstion is
by forming Biblical arguments and proofs to the contrary, not by demeaning
one another.
Jesus spoke out against the religious leaders he encountered vociferously.
There was no moderator to say "Hold on just a minute, Jesus! You may attack
what they said but, you must not attack them. This 'whited sepulchre'
business is a bit strong, isn't it?"
Yes, He did. Jesus rebuking men in error is a bit different than the
fallen creation demeaning each other. If any of us spoke with the authority
of the One who was without sin, I would not have the right to moderate Him.
However, our being in a fallen state, imperfect, and still being sinners, as
you have pointed out, we need moderating.
Perry the Moderator
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From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: July 10, 2005 10:14
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sinless Perfection.htm
>
> >From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >My point: YOU CAN'T NOT GET PERSONAL. ONE OUGHT NOT SEPARATE THE TRUTH
> >SPOKEN
> >FROM THE TRUTH SPEAKER....OUGHT ONE?
> >
> >
>
> Lance, I do not agree with you.
>
> There are really two levels of ad hominem that occur on TT. One with
the
> intent to sway an argument, the other being to disparage another in the
> absence of an argument. Discussions can easily move from the former to
the
> latter.
>
> The former is a a fallacy used in a debtate, rooted in the desiree to
win
> an argument that may have reached an impasse, or may have come from weak
> position. The latter is plain cruelty, intended to hurt another.
>
> It is entirely possible to argue a point strictly from the Bible, and
> even from other external sources, without referring to anyone on a
personal
> level. It takes discipline and training in debate to NOT bring in ad
hominem
> arguments (especially when we see the argumentum ad hominem demonstrated
> frequently during ANY political race. As a side note).
>
> The bottom line is that I don't think anyone on TT has demonstrated
that
> they are a trained debater, although some are very good debaters.
> Furthermore, we all can become emotional about our positions and often
> cannot avoid emotional outbursts in the form of attacks at those that
hurt
> us, or malign us, especially when we feel that "the other person started
> it".
>
> Perry the Moderator
>
>
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