On 'swerving into':Perry, the Moderator says: 'our being in an fallen state, imperfect, and still sinners..' Is it safe to say then, Mr. Moderator that this description would include David Miller?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: July 10, 2005 13:18 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sinless Perfection.htm > >From: "Lance Muir": > > > >Mr. Moderator: God alone knows who those are who participate in Christ > >actively and consciously (those who are 'born from above). IMO all such > >express their understanding of the One who made this possible (The One and > >only Lord, Jesus, God with us) along with their experience of Him) > >partially > >and inadequately (He and our experience of Him transcend human vocabulary). > > I agree. We can speak truthfully only about that which has been revealed > to us. Everything else is our personal interpretation. But, they way we > correct what we may feel is an incorrect understanding or interpretstion is > by forming Biblical arguments and proofs to the contrary, not by demeaning > one another. > > >Jesus spoke out against the religious leaders he encountered vociferously. > >There was no moderator to say "Hold on just a minute, Jesus! You may attack > >what they said but, you must not attack them. This 'whited sepulchre' > >business is a bit strong, isn't it?" > > Yes, He did. Jesus rebuking men in error is a bit different than the > fallen creation demeaning each other. If any of us spoke with the authority > of the One who was without sin, I would not have the right to moderate Him. > However, our being in a fallen state, imperfect, and still being sinners, as > you have pointed out, we need moderating. > > Perry the Moderator > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: July 10, 2005 10:14 > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sinless Perfection.htm > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > >My point: YOU CAN'T NOT GET PERSONAL. ONE OUGHT NOT SEPARATE THE TRUTH > > > >SPOKEN > > > >FROM THE TRUTH SPEAKER....OUGHT ONE? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lance, I do not agree with you. > > > > > > There are really two levels of ad hominem that occur on TT. One with > >the > > > intent to sway an argument, the other being to disparage another in the > > > absence of an argument. Discussions can easily move from the former to > >the > > > latter. > > > > > > The former is a a fallacy used in a debtate, rooted in the desiree to > >win > > > an argument that may have reached an impasse, or may have come from weak > > > position. The latter is plain cruelty, intended to hurt another. > > > > > > It is entirely possible to argue a point strictly from the Bible, and > > > even from other external sources, without referring to anyone on a > >personal > > > level. It takes discipline and training in debate to NOT bring in ad > >hominem > > > arguments (especially when we see the argumentum ad hominem demonstrated > > > frequently during ANY political race. As a side note). > > > > > > The bottom line is that I don't think anyone on TT has demonstrated > >that > > > they are a trained debater, although some are very good debaters. > > > Furthermore, we all can become emotional about our positions and often > > > cannot avoid emotional outbursts in the form of attacks at those that > >hurt > > > us, or malign us, especially when we feel that "the other person started > > > it". > > > > > > Perry the Moderator > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > >http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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