Let me answer in a more generic way. I can be specific -- but not on TT. Pride, as I see it, might be the very sin that plagues us all. It places "me" at the center of everything regardless as to my any verbage to the contrary (i.e. "denial") Out of this ontology comes interpretations, visions and appointments that are not from God (those are just about everything we do). The dualism that is present in Romans 7:25 presents the autonomy of man's desires verses the sovereignty of God's grace solutions/presence.
I am a pentecostal and I see such things often (all three categories of discipled activity). More importantly, when we confuse our beliefs with that which "simply cannot be wrong" - it is pride IN EVERY INSTANCE, whether the presentation happens to make sense or not, that goes before us. I Cor 8:1-3 IS ALWAYS a current thought, to me As a result of that bias, any time and every time I encounter one who equates his/her stated beliefs with absolute truth as revealed in the Message - I know that I am dealing with a prideful person. Red flags go, a course of action comes to mind, prayers are spoken, and a call to a patient abide with this individual becomes the "call of God." All of this as I revisit my own pride and root out that beam (once agai
n).
There is a prophet in one of the congregations we attend - our member church, actually. His name is "D". Never been married. Most in the church thought he was a nut case. He was full of pride and had no clue as to that circumstance. And I was as blunt with him as with anyone - but in living color, I can pull such honesty off without driving the person away ...... so he and I were friends.
He got married (I baptized his wife in the local river). He and his wife are old hippies -- me? Not. But he knew I cared for him and his. Anyway -- about 3 am one morning -- here he is at my house thinking poorly about the new baby that was a part of his universe, now. There were two centers of the universe in his world - his and the baby's and the baby's center was winning out - it got all the attention and, in so doing, exposed the pride that he could not see.
His argument was identical to what I hear on TT: "That cannot be, John, for that would be sin and I live my life, each minute of the day with honoring God on my mind." That was "D's" thinking. Diligence has little to do the denial of pride in one's life. He is a new man.
JD
-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:55:19 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sinless Perfection.htm
JD - why are you constantly accusing DavidM of pride and ATST criticising his definition of sin?
From what I can see he appears to be very diligent with himself and his family - so how do you reach
this consensus which appears to be agreed upon by Gary and Lance also?
You describe this pride as a source for sin events - where do you get this definition? Actually putting up
with sin and doing nothing about it is pride as Paul so clearly expounds to the church at Corinth (1 Cor 5:3)
It sounds to me like you ppl have things a bit skewed. Need to do some more homework and repent to
DavidM who is a godly man. jt
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:38:44 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks - and we are back to ground zero. My understanding of your theology is right on,near as I can see. Shall we move on, now. You only believe in "event sin." That is just whatyou described. You possess pride (we already knew this) but it is only a source for sin (events)in your life. As long as it lays there, dormant as it were, you remain sinless. JD
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John wrote: > Is it sin or temptation, David? I do not allow > for pride to continue -- it resides in my flesh. > Need I say more -- need I quote more??? Yes, you do need to say more. I don't understand your problem with what I wrote. Pride exists as a temptation of the flesh. When it is yielded to and has conceived, it brings forth the sin of pride. Don't you understand these things? Romans 7. James 1:14-15. Peace be with you. David Miller. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
