Fair enough, Perry. Consider yourself asked.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: July 10, 2005 13:56 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sinless Perfection.htm > Lance, > > I have given no one's interpretation other than what I believe you have > stated by adding "as you have pointed out". If you would like my personal > position on the matter, ask and I will respond in a post as myself, not as > the moderator. > > Perry the Moderator > > >From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: <[email protected]> > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sinless Perfection.htm > >Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:35:34 -0400 > > > >On 'swerving into':Perry, the Moderator says: 'our being in an fallen > >state, > >imperfect, and still sinners..' Is it safe to say then, Mr. Moderator that > >this description would include David Miller? > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: July 10, 2005 13:18 > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sinless Perfection.htm > > > > > > > >From: "Lance Muir": > > > > > > > >Mr. Moderator: God alone knows who those are who participate in Christ > > > >actively and consciously (those who are 'born from above). IMO all such > > > >express their understanding of the One who made this possible (The One > >and > > > >only Lord, Jesus, God with us) along with their experience of Him) > > > >partially > > > >and inadequately (He and our experience of Him transcend human > >vocabulary). > > > > > > I agree. We can speak truthfully only about that which has been > >revealed > > > to us. Everything else is our personal interpretation. But, they way we > > > correct what we may feel is an incorrect understanding or interpretstion > >is > > > by forming Biblical arguments and proofs to the contrary, not by > >demeaning > > > one another. > > > > > > >Jesus spoke out against the religious leaders he encountered > >vociferously. > > > >There was no moderator to say "Hold on just a minute, Jesus! You may > >attack > > > >what they said but, you must not attack them. This 'whited sepulchre' > > > >business is a bit strong, isn't it?" > > > > > > Yes, He did. Jesus rebuking men in error is a bit different than the > > > fallen creation demeaning each other. If any of us spoke with the > >authority > > > of the One who was without sin, I would not have the right to moderate > >Him. > > > However, our being in a fallen state, imperfect, and still being > >sinners, > >as > > > you have pointed out, we need moderating. > > > > > > Perry the Moderator > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: <[email protected]> > > > >Sent: July 10, 2005 10:14 > > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sinless Perfection.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > >My point: YOU CAN'T NOT GET PERSONAL. ONE OUGHT NOT SEPARATE THE > >TRUTH > > > > > >SPOKEN > > > > > >FROM THE TRUTH SPEAKER....OUGHT ONE? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lance, I do not agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > There are really two levels of ad hominem that occur on TT. One > >with > > > >the > > > > > intent to sway an argument, the other being to disparage another in > >the > > > > > absence of an argument. Discussions can easily move from the former > >to > > > >the > > > > > latter. > > > > > > > > > > The former is a a fallacy used in a debtate, rooted in the > >desiree > >to > > > >win > > > > > an argument that may have reached an impasse, or may have come from > >weak > > > > > position. The latter is plain cruelty, intended to hurt another. > > > > > > > > > > It is entirely possible to argue a point strictly from the Bible, > >and > > > > > even from other external sources, without referring to anyone on a > > > >personal > > > > > level. It takes discipline and training in debate to NOT bring in ad > > > >hominem > > > > > arguments (especially when we see the argumentum ad hominem > >demonstrated > > > > > frequently during ANY political race. As a side note). > > > > > > > > > > The bottom line is that I don't think anyone on TT has > >demonstrated > > > >that > > > > > they are a trained debater, although some are very good debaters. > > > > > Furthermore, we all can become emotional about our positions and > >often > > > > > cannot avoid emotional outbursts in the form of attacks at those > >that > > > >hurt > > > > > us, or malign us, especially when we feel that "the other person > >started > > > > > it". > > > > > > > > > > Perry the Moderator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > >may > > > >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > > > >http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > > > > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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