Allowing for the claim of "Christian" does not mean anything eternally. If I admonish you as a brother and you are a fraud, does that negate the admonition? And isn't II Thess 3:14-15 telling us that being a "brother" and being "saved" (potentially) two different things? the fact of the matter is this: we have more influence over a "family member" than we do over a stranger. The brother in II Thess is excluded from certain activities but included as a brother.
JD
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Perry Locke <cpl2602@hotmail.com>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:45:00 -0700
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for li
Izzy,
Can you be wrong in your discernment about who is a Christian and who is not, perhaps believing one who is indeed a Chrisian to not be so?
Perry
>From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
>Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the >Scriptures for li
>Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:48:09 -0500
>
>I don't know of any reason to believe that Terry is not a follower of
>Christ. Some folks claim to follow Christ but their fruit shows otherwise,
>in which c ase Jesus said to judge by the fruit, not by the talk. Some folks
>on TT state they don't know what it means to be born again, some claim to >be
>followers of JSmith, etc. I choose to believe a person's statement about
>him/herself unless they prove themselves to be speaking falsely--whether
>that is intentional or not. How about you, Perry? Do you believe the
>mormons, for instance, when they claim to be true followers of Jesus >Christ?
>I don't because I know they can't follow JSmith and Jesus at the same time.
>izzy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke
>Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 7:49 AM
>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the
>Scriptures for li
>
>Izzy, how do you know who is a believer to decide if you should take him at
>his word? Some on this group say they are believers but you do not believe
>that they are. If they are believers, regardless of whether you think they
>are believers or not, aren't you breaking 1 Cor 13 if you do not take them
>at their word?
>
>Perry
>
> >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
> >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the
> >Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)
> >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:21:03 -0500
> >
> >I do believe that I Cor 13 exhorts us to take a Believer at his word, >does
> >it not? How else would love behave? iz
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor
> >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:55 AM
> > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the
> >Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)
> >
> >David wrote concerning Terry's comment: I found nothing dishonest in what
> >you wrote. ... There was definitely a problem in reading you.
> >
> >David, how do you presume to know this, other than in the say way the >rest
> >of us might? Terry's word will have to suffice, as far as I'm concerned.
> >Are
> >you privy to something we're not?
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:37 AM
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the
> >Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)
> >
> >
> > > Terry wrote:
> > > > I make a simple statement that there is not enough
> > > > information to tell who would be the the most accurate
> > > > interpreter of scriptures or the most mature believer
> > > > between Bill, who I have never met, and a Russian,
> > > > who I have never heard of. That is hardly placing one
> > > > of you in Hell and the other outside the body of the
> > > > Church. If that comment is less than honest, explain
> > > > to me where I would have gotten the information needed
> > > > to reach the s ame conclusion as Lance.
> > >
> > > I found nothing dishonest in what you wrote, Terry. I was amazed that
> >your
> > > post was interpreted the way it was. There was definitely a problem >in
> > > reading you.
> > >
> > > You mention something in this post that is somewhat interesting. You
> > > mention both "accurate interpreter of scriptures" and "most mature
> > > believer." Do you think these are related? Are more mature believers
> >more
> > > accurate interpreters of Scripture? My comments on this thread
> >concerned
> > > only the ability to understand the intent of the Holy Ghost in the
> >Scripture
> > > he inspired to be written. Perhaps part of the disconnect in
> >communicating
> > > on this is that some connect the idea of "accu racy interpreter of
> > > scriptures" and "maturity of believers" in a more definite way. That
> >was
> > > perhaps part of Lance's perspective, that one cannot accurately
> >interpret
> > > Scripture without having time for maturity, regardless of the
> >involvement
> >of
> > > the Holy Spirit.
> > >
> > > What do you think? Is the maturity of the believer something >important
> >in
> > > regards to the ability to understand the intended meaning of >Scripture?
> >Is
> > > maturity a requirement before one can understand the Holy Spirit's
> >intent
> >in
> > > Scripture?
> > >
> > > Peace be with you.
> > > David Miller. ;
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you >may
> >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
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Can you be wrong in your discernment about who is a Christian and who is not, perhaps believing one who is indeed a Chrisian to not be so?
Perry
>From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
>Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the >Scriptures for li
>Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:48:09 -0500
>
>I don't know of any reason to believe that Terry is not a follower of
>Christ. Some folks claim to follow Christ but their fruit shows otherwise,
>in which c ase Jesus said to judge by the fruit, not by the talk. Some folks
>on TT state they don't know what it means to be born again, some claim to >be
>followers of JSmith, etc. I choose to believe a person's statement about
>him/herself unless they prove themselves to be speaking falsely--whether
>that is intentional or not. How about you, Perry? Do you believe the
>mormons, for instance, when they claim to be true followers of Jesus >Christ?
>I don't because I know they can't follow JSmith and Jesus at the same time.
>izzy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke
>Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 7:49 AM
>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the
>Scriptures for li
>
>Izzy, how do you know who is a believer to decide if you should take him at
>his word? Some on this group say they are believers but you do not believe
>that they are. If they are believers, regardless of whether you think they
>are believers or not, aren't you breaking 1 Cor 13 if you do not take them
>at their word?
>
>Perry
>
> >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
> >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the
> >Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)
> >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:21:03 -0500
> >
> >I do believe that I Cor 13 exhorts us to take a Believer at his word, >does
> >it not? How else would love behave? iz
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor
> >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:55 AM
> > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the
> >Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)
> >
> >David wrote concerning Terry's comment: I found nothing dishonest in what
> >you wrote. ... There was definitely a problem in reading you.
> >
> >David, how do you presume to know this, other than in the say way the >rest
> >of us might? Terry's word will have to suffice, as far as I'm concerned.
> >Are
> >you privy to something we're not?
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:37 AM
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the
> >Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)
> >
> >
> > > Terry wrote:
> > > > I make a simple statement that there is not enough
> > > > information to tell who would be the the most accurate
> > > > interpreter of scriptures or the most mature believer
> > > > between Bill, who I have never met, and a Russian,
> > > > who I have never heard of. That is hardly placing one
> > > > of you in Hell and the other outside the body of the
> > > > Church. If that comment is less than honest, explain
> > > > to me where I would have gotten the information needed
> > > > to reach the s ame conclusion as Lance.
> > >
> > > I found nothing dishonest in what you wrote, Terry. I was amazed that
> >your
> > > post was interpreted the way it was. There was definitely a problem >in
> > > reading you.
> > >
> > > You mention something in this post that is somewhat interesting. You
> > > mention both "accurate interpreter of scriptures" and "most mature
> > > believer." Do you think these are related? Are more mature believers
> >more
> > > accurate interpreters of Scripture? My comments on this thread
> >concerned
> > > only the ability to understand the intent of the Holy Ghost in the
> >Scripture
> > > he inspired to be written. Perhaps part of the disconnect in
> >communicating
> > > on this is that some connect the idea of "accu racy interpreter of
> > > scriptures" and "maturity of believers" in a more definite way. That
> >was
> > > perhaps part of Lance's perspective, that one cannot accurately
> >interpret
> > > Scripture without having time for maturity, regardless of the
> >involvement
> >of
> > > the Holy Spirit.
> > >
> > > What do you think? Is the maturity of the believer something >important
> >in
> > > regards to the ability to understand the intended meaning of >Scripture?
> >Is
> > > maturity a requirement before one can understand the Holy Spirit's
> >intent
> >in
> > > Scripture?
> > >
> > > Peace be with you.
> > > David Miller. ;
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you >may
> >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
> >http://www.InnGlory.org
> > >
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> >
> >----------
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> >know
&g t; >how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
> >http://www.InnGlory.org
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