Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

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From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:15:40 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

 

 

On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:01:36 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

But Judy,  I see your stance  on (perhaps) 80% of the issues of discussion  (the unabridged version)

to be doctrines of men!!!   I am as bible based as you.  

 

I would challenge the above JD. To begin with I don't believe you know my stance on most issues.

because you don't pay attention.  Secondly you are not Bible based as you call it at all.

Well,  I know what you have written which may or may not be what you actually think.

And Bible bases ??   Every bit as much as you , my dear. 

 

 

 My hermeneutic, quite frankly, is more productive than yours  --  in view of the fact that you do

not claim to have one!  The Spirit most definitely speaks to me as profoundly as to you.  

 

When following your hermeneutic JD you are out there on your own.  Philosophy is a discipline of

men which leads to the doctrines of men that you claim not to follow.  The wisdom from above

is entirely other.  "Hermeneutic"  is the science of interpreting (esp.) the scriptures.  Without a practical and well thought out hermeneutic, the only alternative left is a helter skelter butchery of the biblical message   --------------   This why you and DM have  such unusual theologies.  Both of you are marvelous Christian disciples, just as is Lance and BT and Mr G.   each of us have at least one thing in common, a birth into Christ finds us committed to the same Sovereign God of Salvation.   I hasten to add that a well thought hermeneutic is no answer for disunity   ...........   the butchery is less profound, I think,  but there can be no unity based upon hermeneutical practicalities, either. 

 

You are not more honest in your desire to work out your own salvation than I.   Now what

do we do?   Call each other humanists and move on?  jd 

 

Obviously we will both do what we are convinced in our own minds and hearts to do JD and we will

each be rewarded according to what we have done at the end of the day.  And No, I don't go along w/

name calling.  jt    Did I hear a "Yes, JD, you are probably as honest as I" ???

 

 

JD

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>

Believing in them is one thing - of course no one will confess to believing in them, while ATST many are blindly

following them.  Any time the clear teaching of God's Word is rejected or reasoned away in favor of some

doctrine or other this is taking place.  In fact I experienced it just yesterday in a class where I saw a video

explaining why the denomination I attend baptizes babies.  It can't be justified by God's Word and they twist

a scripture or two to try and lay the foundation.  I don't understand why we can't just dedicate the babies

like Mary & Joseph.  Take them to the temple (?) and consecrate them to God since they can't understand

the meaning of baptism and noone can commit their lives for them.  judyt

 

On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:16:50 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

We (here on TT) have gone a long way in proving that unity based on "true" doctrine is not the pathway to unity.   All of the issues listed below were discussions over what the Bible has to say about those particular concerns.   Not one person on this site believes in "doctrines of men."  All are trying to approximate the truth.  If we cannot allow for "unity" to found in the commonality of our search for truth, there will be no unity in Christ. 

 

JD 

 

From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>

We lay aside doctrines of men and everything that does not conform us to godliness and

holiness and we receive with meekness the "engrafted word" which is able to save our souls.

Think about it;  if we do not unite and gather around the truth of His Word - we will never agree on

which spirit is the "holy one" because we will have no frame of reference.  judyt

 

How do we continue when there are so many differences? 

 

 

 

Eternal Sonship

Trinity

Word v Holy Spirit

Inspired interpretations

works v unmerited grace

the place of water baptism

tongues as an evidence of the infilling

Continuance of apostles and prophets

The place and function of the Church Fathers

What is "unity."

What the hell is an ad hom

Holiness and the indwelling

Holiness as a gifted consideration

The works of James v the works of Paul

What is proof texting

The  Word of God

Christ as the King of the Jews

The Incarnate Christ

Christ as God v a representative of God

The narrow road

The place of the apostles in the church

Honoring the claim of discipleship

The use of context

Hermeneutics

 

 

 

I would continue but I am watching "The Quiet Man"  and the greatest big screen fight of all time is about to be shown  (John Wayne and company).  

 

 

JD