From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Judy wrote: > Yes, I do believe we all come into this world with > an "inheritance" in and a natural "propensity" toward > sin ... ATST I don't believe that all babies automatically > go to hell because God is merciful and He is a God > of covenant which is what Paul takes into consideration > when he speaks of believer md to unbeliever and so > long as they remain together their children are "holy" > (because of the godly influence in that home). > I don't think we completely understand these issues > of sin and righteousness - like we should. You say that we don't completely undertsand these issues. I think what you are doing is acknowledging an inconsistency in your theological perspective. You don't understand these issues because your logical perspective is inconsistent with the voice of your conscience. You are having trouble reconciling the idea of children being born "in sin" and yet something in your conscience which does not accept the idea that they are condemned to hell. If you were logically consistent with your viewpoint that if Jesus were born in the same flesh as us he would be unholy, then you would have to conclude that the children also are unholy and deserve hell and damnation. This is what has led many church scholars to the importance of infant baptism. jt: Conscience has nothing to do with it and neither does logic so far as I'm concerned. I am still learning David and from what I can see scripture teaches this. I don't put any credence in what the RCC do as they have embraced so much error that this is dangerous. In the early church Paul told believers that their children were sanctified because of their faith and this has to do with Covenant. God is a Covenant God whether we like it or not. We don't understand as we should becaue we put a lot more value on his power/works than do do upon understanding His ways. If children can be born holy, or in other words, born separated unto God and not deserving of the damnation of hell, why not Jesus? jt: Jesus was born holy and he is the exception to the rule; the rest of us are born in sin because we are of the first Adam - and part of a fallen people. I think the logically consistent position that would lead us to a better understanding is that a person's flesh does not, in itself, condemn a person to the damnation of hell. jt: A person's physical body alone does not condemn them to hell; it is the sin nature that indwells the person's physical body that is condemned and deserves God's wrath. It is when a person responds to his flesh and commits sin that he becomes guilty. jt: In the light of God's holiness a sinner is guilty and unclean whether or not they have committed a specific sin. Look at Job - someone who God called a "righteous" man. He instinctively knew that there was no way for the unclean to make itself clean and he knew he needed a "dayspring/redeemer" It seems to me that Izzy and I are in agreement on this point. What do you think? jt: I think it is abhorrent to think of cute little newborns with a satanic stronghold within them but it doesn't take long for the disease to declare itself. (Obviously, my next proposition, if this is accepted, is to talk about Jesus and the relationship between his flesh and holiness.) Peace be with you. David Miller. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
