Check out that phrase, Dave. "it shall NOT be so among you." Jesus
gave them authority over demons and He gave them the authority to
preach the Good News. He did not give them the authority to be
dictators or popes or presidents. They were guides, not rulers.
Hope this helps you understand.
Terry
Dave wrote:
DAVEH: So what do you think the purpose was of Jesus choosing and
ordaining the apostles, Terry? Do you believe Jesus gave them any
authority?
Terry Clifton wrote:
You might want to consider His words recorded in Matthew 20:26-28, Dave.
"You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those
that are great exercise authority over them. Yet it shall not be so
among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be
your servant. And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be
your slave...just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to
serve."
Peter got the message. Look at his advice in 1 Peter, 5:2-3
"Shepherd the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers
not by compulsion, but willingly, not for dishonest gain, but eagerly
nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to
the flock."
Terry
Dave wrote:
DAVEH: His ordination of the apostles would suggest otherwise, Judy.
For what reason did he call and ordain the apostles if they were not to
stand in for Him? Did he not give them authority and then
command them to preach and baptize in his name?
Judith H Taylor wrote:
Dave, Jesus is the authority and he did not set up a
hierarchal
flesh kingdom to stand in for Him
His kingdom is organic rather than organizational.
Leadership
leads by example rather than as CEO
The least is as important as the greatest and all are to
submit
one to another in the fear of God.
This is the example we find in the NT. You will note that
John
recognized the false by the way they
behaved and warned the Church not to receive them. judyt
DAVEH: As I see it, the big
problem was
not the heresy as much as it was the lack of authority.
Judy Taylor wrote:
From my perspective the Mormon
boys
are being shown by those of you who adhere to Orthodoxy to a Tee
that Joseph Smith was right -
His
big
problem was with the heresy of all the sects. It's not difficult to
see as it's
even worse today than it was
then
- he was right on that point -
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