Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

[Debbie Sawczak]

My initial thoughts: I think it may be talking more about integrity than awareness, and that the light here has to do with exposure--to view (and judgment, in the sense of recognition or evaluation) by someone outside oneself. Could it be that both parties referred to in 20 and 21 already know what the truth is, but they either respond negatively and try to hide this (including perhaps from themselves)--much as A&E tried to hide from God--or they respond positively and actively and openly? In some translations I read, "come out into the light", suggesting a light that is shone on them rather than the light by which they knew the truth.   Debbie  ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us     John 3:21 seems to say that we do the truth before we come to the light.   After coming to the light, it is revealed that all that we did (having been wrought   NASV  -  the Greek is past tense) was IN God.   Does this not apply to this discussion.     JD         -----Original Message----- From: Debbie Sawczak <debbie@kest.com> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:28:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us Note to Terry (whose response to the below I accidentally deleted): I agree that A & E  perceived good and evil, as moral categories, after the fall, as do their  descendants (although we vary widely on what we put into those categories).  They also obviously perceived ugliness in the world which was not there  before. Their descendants also perceive this (and philosophize and poeticize  eloquently about it). But I don't think this is the same thing as  recognizing our condition as sinful/fundamentally corrupt, and apprehending  the ramifications of that. It is the latter which requires revelation by the  HS.    As for "having" the HS: He has always existed and interacted with human  beings. He can act on the understanding without indwelling the person as  those in Christ are indwelt.    Debbie    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>  Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:41 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us    >I do not want to confuse the conscience with the Holy Spirit at any stage.  >  > It is the Holy Spirit who reveals our condition to us, who convicts of  > sin. I do not mean pointing out individual transgressions to us (which  > acts are right and which are wrong). I mean giving our darkened minds an  > understanding that our humanity as it is is pervasively bent--that we are  > not in the proper relation to God and are in need of redemption. We can't  > kn ow that without knowing who God is and who we are meant to be in  > relation to him. This is by the Holy Spirit.  >  > Debbie    ----------  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org    If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.