Your belief, on this matter as on many others is, quite incorrect.
 
David, Judy, is more than capable of speaking for himself. He has made mincemeat of me on more than one occasion. Therefore, why not stick to what you do well.....Hmmmm, just what would that be?  Ahhhh yes, (re)presenting the doctrines of Finis Dake and the like.
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Sent: October 05, 2005 07:55
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit

It is my belief that you are impressed by  'education and social standing', since I observe that you juxtapose
self-taught (DM) against these and you hang on the words of those of high estate who hold to 'orthodoxy' along
with theology of which you approve - while ATST you malign DM for the scriptural stand he takes against sin -
and for righteousness and holiness.
 
 
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:44:31 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
'stick in my craw', Judy? Nope! 'education and social standing', Judy? I thought that to you and the 'venerated one' such things mattered little. Yet, here you trumpet them on his behalf.??
 
Just delight on his short (we hope) return 'til he goes off once again to shout at some 'whoremongers, fornicaters, adulterers and, sodomites). (ALL IMO, OF COURSE!)  
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
David: You speak of 'MY BIBLE'  meaning yours, of course.
 
Of course he does - would you expect him to be reading from YOUR BIBLE Lance?
Which is what?  The dead sea scrolls?  Glad to see you writing again DavidM
 
You wield your sword competently, David. As I  said elsewhere, there are those
who hang on YOUR interpretation(s) both on this forum and in your church.
 
And who might these be 'O wise one' from the Northern Regions?  I agree with
DavidM most of the time because he sees the same Word by the same Spirit
I don't hang on ANY man's interpretation.  IMO which doesn't count for much in
your circle - hanging on men's interpretations is what will cause your demise in
the last day.
 
Me, I see 'em for what they are; the constructions of a self-taught man. (good
though they may be on occasion)
 
Self-taught huh!  Stated by one who by his own testimony is ignorant of and
does not KNOW the Teacher.
 
Why return simply to confuse some younger believer rather than permitting
them to be taught by the Word and the Spirit?
 
Obtuse insight for sure.  He is the listowner - why shouldn't he return?  Throwing
more vulnerable believers to the "incarnational" wolves would not be loving or
caring would it?
 
At least you did receive a modest 'hand', if not a standing ovation, from
the 'Iz corner'. That musta made ya feel good?
 
I'll submit a standing ovation from the judyt corner and hope it makes DavidM
feel even better - not that he is moved by feelings because if he were he would
have shut this down long ago since he is more persecuted and maligned than
any of us.  Why do you save your most vindictive rhetoric for him Lance?? I
wonder about that.  At this point I figure it is because of his education and social
standing. You can put the rest of us in a corner with the religious zealots, fundies,
women, and ignorant but DM seems to stick in your craw for some reason.....
 
 

From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: October 04, 2005 14:14
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit
 
 
> Lance wrote:
>> As 'believers, we  'participate' (in our relationship with Him
>> and with each other) inadequately and incompletely EVERY
>> DAY. This is the reality of the Christian life. Any voice, human
>> or otherwise, who would suggest that this is not the case speaks
>> against the truth of the gospel.
>
> Lance, with all due respect, in the time I have known you through email
> here
> on TruthTalk, you consistently judge others using yourself as the
> standard.
> YOU are not the standard by which we are to judge what is possible or what
> is impossible.
>
> A better yard stick to use would be the Bible.  Yes, I know, everybody
> disagrees about what the Bible says, but that is simply because most
> people
> do not obey the Bible. Those who obey the Bible hear what it has to say,
> and
> they do come to agreement.  That does not mean that everyone has identical
> perspectives.  We are not meant to have identical perspectives.  Rather,
> it
> means that we are in complete agreement, whether it be like Paul and James
> on being justified by faith or justified by works, or whether it be like
> Izzy and me on the subject of holiness.
>
> Now my Bible says that those who are practicing righteousness is righteous
> even as HE (Christ) is righteous (1 John 3:7).  Surely you are not going
> to
> argue that Jesus Christ himself was inadequate or incomplete, are you?  If
> not, then we have no reason to believe your false gospel that everybody
> inadequately and incompletely are in relationship with Christ and each
> other.
>
> 1 John 1:7 says that if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we
> have
> fellowship one with another.  This does not speak about inadequate or
> incomplete fellowship.  This passage speaks about a reality available to
> all
> those who will believe the gospel.
>
> Col. 2:10 says that we are complete in him.  Why do you say, "we are not
> complete in him, but we all inadquately and incompletely, EVERY DAY,
> participate in our relationship with him"?  Please speak for yourself and
> not me on this issue.  You do not represent me or Christ on this issue.
> You
> should say "I" rather than "we," but better yet, learn the truth of the
> Scriptures and then get your mouth lined up with God's Word.  Confess what
> God's Word says rather than what your experience tells you about your past
> life.  Change cannot happen if you are always looking back.  You must look
> forward to Christ, and reach for him, and apprehend him, always reaching
> forward in an adequate and complete manner that continually gets better
> every day.
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller.
>
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