Re: [TruthTalk] Back tot he garden

[Terry Clifton]

Seems like a reasonable request.  I will give it the old grade school try. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry about the words, Terry.   I don't usually write that way  --  but that was intended for someone on a different forum.    Anyway  --  I can rewrite it, if you like.   Let me suggest something to you.   Take some time,  a lot of time,   and discover what the message says about "Christ's death,"  "the cross,"  "sacrifice for sin," and anything related.   I believe you will find that the Cross is critical to an understanding of the Law, reconciliation,  the bruising of Satan,  the condemnation of sin,  victory once delivered to the saints,   This is not a putdown of any kind, by the way.  But, if you have never done so,  then the task will be most rewarding.   God will show you things in this study that He did not present to me  --  and I am sure you beleive this.       John   -----Original Message----- From: Terry Clifton <wabbits1234@earthlink.net> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:23:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Back tot he garden     I do not understand much of what you are saying, John, but I know this much..1.  When Jesus forgave the woman taken in adultery, She was told to sin no more.  2.In the fifth chapter of John starting at verse twenty-eight,  we learn that the good go to Heaven and the evil go to Hell. 3. Pride violates an imperitive from God; He hates it as much as any other sin. 4. It matters very much whether or not we live in sin, or sin daily, or only sin the common sins.  These are the things I do not see stated in what byou have written. Possibly you could rewrite this so as to be understandable to an uneducated redneck? Terry      This is something i wrote to a friend about the Garde even and perichoresis.  Am I on the right track with this?        I am not one who believes in a "plan B" redemptive theology, put into play when God's original plan failed.    Christ was always the solution to Adam and Eve's problem, as He is for us in this day and time.   I am saying this:   the story of Adam and Eve has been included in the Message because of its  role in our understanding the purpose of the Law of God   --   something that has been fulfilled in Christ and no longer applies to God's judgment of us.   What we see with Adam and Eve is the first accounting of a Law violation.  It is one thing to be selfish, pr ideful, bigoted and the like.   That goes to our personal ontology.   It is something else to violate an imperative from God, Himself.   Such a violation forces upon us a pathology of guilt.   I am a selfish person.   But I do not feel guilt until I actually express that selfishness in an ungodly way   --    and the Law defines that ungodliness.   In the Old Testament, God orders something, man violates this request,  God is angered and judgment occures,  man repents and via a blood sacrifice, man is righteous once again........................... a process that is repeated over and over and over again.   Under the New Covenant,  Christ dies ONCE AND FOR ALL TIME, does He not?   As a violation of the Law, sin is condemned to have no effect upon our destiny  --   AS A VIOLATION OF THE LAW.   But with the removal of this curse,  we remain unholy.   The struggle is of a New Paradigm.  With  the fulfillment of the Law,&n bsp; man and God are free to build upon and magnify the relationship between man and God  --  God working within us both to  will and do His good pleasure.   The Law proves our unrighteousness  --  gives it definition and a pathological reality that is undeniable. God's sacrifice and workings in His Son in our lives gives us an escape from this process while, at the same time,  standing as a historical reminder that our goodness is really Godness< FONT face=Verdana size=2> from within.   Read John 3:21  -   we work, we come to the light and in this light it becomes clear  (manifest) that our works HAVE BEEN  the works of God (and I add the words  "all along").