Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

[Dave Hansen]

Dave, you just don't quit, do you. DAVEH:   That's right Perry.......It's one of my weaknesses.  I don't quit as long as others keep pushing. Now you are implying that I am not a clear thinking American. Nice jab DAVEH:   It does seem that way, eh!   Look at what you said to John about my smoking sarcasm.....  Sure, yes, of course I knew Dave was using it as a gest, John. But not all tongue-in-cheek humor is appreciated. While you may get a chuckle out of it, I do not particularly like being equated to a drug user, even as a gest.   How about if I asked you, in gest of course, "Hey, John, do you still beat your wife?". Now, that is a joke, right? Or is it? I don't know, but I do know that you MAY not like it, and you MAY be offended by it. Right?   It also depends on who is doing the joking. If it a close friend that I can trust, and we have a rapport for joking in that vein, then I know exactly what they mean. But, if it is someone that has been sly and hostile in the past to me, why should I not consider the comment as hostile, or a veiled jab? .........Now Perry......how many TTers do you think view your above comment as a clear thinking???   May I suggest....none!   You are certainly an American, but I wouldn't think there would be very many Americans who do not understand the what have you been smoking nuance.  And I bet there isn't a single TTer who did not understand it, even those who might be half-witted.   And IMO, those who are offended by it aren't clear thinking either.   BTW...Thank you for the compliment.....I believe you deserved it. No we are incapable of understanding a gest? I know it is was a gest, I just found it to be tasteless, offensice, and unwelcome. DAVEH:   You say that as if I haven't found any of your comments about my beliefs to be tasteless, offensice, and unwelcome.  Why is it different when the shoe is on the other foot? It is not that I am so sensitive, it is that you have not earned to right to joke that way with me. DAVEH:    Ohhhhhhhh.....that is priceless, Perry!!!  :-D That is like me saying, "I did not call you a wife beater, I just asked, 'Do you still beat your wife?' (in gest, of course). Nice try, Dave. DAVEH:   FWIW.....I haven't beat her since I started beating the dog.   Nice try, Perry.     ;-) Now we are half-witted...or less than half witted? We can't even understand as much as a half-witted kid? You are a true apologizer, Dave! DAVEH:   You've certainly proved my point, Perry.  I don't think Dean was joking when he called you a pagan, and I happen to agree with him, that those who follow the mormon faith are pagans, not knowing the God and Jesus of the Bible, folowing occultic rituals and worshipping a flase god. How do you define 'pagan'? DAVEH:  Of course he wasn't joking.  I did not read it as a joke, and he didn't indicate it to be a joke.  I'm sure he was just as serious as you are now being serious.   From <http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/pagan........ ++++++++++++++++++ Definitions: Pagan Pagan Adjective 1. Not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam. Noun 1. A person who does not acknowledge your God. Source: WordNet 1.7.1 Copyright © 2001 by Princeton University. All rights reserved. ++++++++++++++++++ .........I respectfully disagree with your conclusion, Perry. And, when I called you "sly" a few months back you did not complain...until someone else said they thought it was an ad-hom. Boy, you sure jumped on the bandwagon at that point...I apologized, and you, taking advantage of the situation, flogged me for days over that one, while at the same time refusing to apologize for an injustice you had committed. DAVEH:   You've lost me on this one, Perry.    I responded to your above claim in a parallel post tonight, and will await your proof of guilt before offering an apology.  I really do not remember giving you a bad time about the sly comment.  IF I did, I'll sincerely apologize.   After the time that you had apologized to me, I thought I said nothing more about it.      As for the injustice I committed.....All I can remember you taking offense at is calling you what you are....an anti-Mormon.  You fit the accepted definition, so why apologize?  It wasn't meant to demean, but merely to distinguish you from others who are not LDS, and not anti-Mormon.  Notice that you word it so that it is not your problem you offended me, it is my problem...my "sensitivities" DAVEH:   Welllllll, Perry.........Betwixt the two of us, you do seem to be the one who is ultra sensitive.   So....yeah, it is your problem.  Especially since you are a member of TT who has had little reservation against dumping on Mormon TTers. After reading the above "apology", why do I get the feeling that you are not apologiing, but turning this into an opportunity to further demean Dean and I? DAVEH:    What Dean recently said of me....... you big cry baby .........might more appropriately be applied to you, Perry. You just don't stop, do you? DAVEH:   That's right Perry....you just might want to remember that in the future. Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, you just don't quit, do you. In your statements below you appear to apologize, while continuing to abase my character...get this... DAVEH:   I'm sorry you feel that way, Perry.   I thought it to be pretty well understood my most clear thinking Americans that asking that (smoking) question is a joking way to point out the ludicrousness of what they said. Now you are implying that I am not a clear thinking American. Nice jab. It was not at all intended to imply that either you or Dean were dopers.....just that your claims are pretty wild, as if you can't discern reality.   My apologies if I failed to convey that message so that you (and Dean) could understand it. No we are incapable of understanding a gest? I know it is was a gest, I just found it to be tasteless, offensice, and unwelcome.    BTW.........I pretty much know that both you and Dean are stone cold sober, but I fail to understand why you are so sensitive. It is not that I am so sensitive, it is that you have not earned to right to joke that way with me. I did not call either of you a doper....I just asked what you were smoking. That is like me saying, "I did not call you a wife beater, I just asked, 'Do you still beat your wife?' (in gest, of course). Nice try, Dave. The proper answer had you wanted to give it would have been, "nothing".....to clear the smoke from the air. Now it is my problem for not giving the right answer...and "clear the smoke from the air"...another bad joke, Dave. You just don't stop, do you? Instead, both of you apparently have taken offense, assuming the opposite of what any half-witted kid would fully understand. Now we are half-witted...or less than half witted? We can't even understand as much as a half-witted kid? You are a true apologizer, Dave! Yet, Dean called me a pagan and you did not utter a peep as far as I know.  As you know, I've got a pretty thick skin, and have come to expect such from some TTers, so I don't feel the need to cry foul at the ad hom.   I just find it interesting that you guys can dish it out, but seem to get all confused and choke on that which is returned.....even when it is a joke. I don't think Dean was joking when he called you a pagan, and I happen to agree with him, that those who follow the mormon faith are pagans, not knowing the God and Jesus of the Bible, folowing occultic rituals and worshipping a flase god. How do you define 'pagan'? Now, when he equated you to flatulence, I was offended, but I let John handle it since he has been mothering the group lately, and I think he did a fine job. So, I did not intervene. And, when I called you "sly" a few months back you did not complain...until someone else said they thought it was an ad-hom. Boy, you sure jumped on the bandwagon at that point...I apologized, and you, taking advantage of the situation, flogged me for days over that one, while at the same time refusing to apologize for an injustice you had committed.    FTR......Again I apologize for damaging your sensitivities, Perry. Notice that you word it so that it is not your problem you offended me, it is my problem...my "sensitivities" After reading the above "apology", why do I get the feeling that you are not apologiing, but turning this into an opportunity to further demean Dean and I? Perry -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.