cd: I am not at odds with you on this but I am wanting to better understand you thinking. Are you stating that the law mentioned are not removed but more in a static state for the church? I can also agree with the dietary but not as a law for the church as Peter was told to slay and eat in the vision-but the Spirit has been promoting my diet to kosher-but if there are only non-kosher food available I eat giving thanks to God . How would you answer this statement David? The Jewish Levitical Priesthood is not part of the church as the veil was rent/torn and what position does this priesthood hold as compared to the Melchizedek Priesthood (not the Mormon type of this priesthood :-). In you statement :"The material obedience to these commandments are only shadows > of a greater reality". Could you explain more. I understand the shadow aspect-but lack insite of what you mean by "material obedience'? Yes, sacrifices continue but are these blood sacrifices as opposed to giving of self? Thanks bro.
> [Original Message] > From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 11/4/2005 9:39:16 AM > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Torah & Jewish traditions > > cd wrote: > > Love of God and love of our fellow man-does not by any > > means remove us from the Law of the commandments- > > as they are all 11 involved in these two. > > (1)The law that you are referring too is the removal > > of the sacrificial system ... > > (2) The removal of the dietary system ... > > (3) the law of the priest hood was also removed ... > > On the right track here, Dean, but I think there is a better way of > understanding this and articulating it. > > The entire Torah is contained in the commandment to Love God and to Love our > neighbor. I would ask you to consider that neither the sacrificial system, > nor the dietary system, nor the priesthood, has been removed by the covenant > of Christ. Rather, the Torah is spiritual and should be understood > spiritually. The material obedience to these commandments are only shadows > of a greater reality. Sacrifices continue, eating kosher continues, and the > priesthood continues... none of these have been removed. > > Consider the following passages which speak of priesthood, sacrifice, and > kosher eating practiced by Gentiles under the New Covenant: > > 1 Peter 2:5 > (5) Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy > priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus > Christ. > > Romans 12:1-2 > (1) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye > present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is > your reasonable service. > (2) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the > renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, > and perfect, will of God. > > 1 Corinthians 5:7-8 > (7) Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are > unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: > (8) Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the > leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity > and truth. > > Ephesians 5:2 > (2) And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself > for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. > > Philippians 4:18 > (18) But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus > the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice > acceptable, wellpleasing to God. > > Hebrews 7:26-28 > (26) For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, > separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; > (27) Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, > first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, > when he offered up himself. > (28) For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word > of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for > evermore. > > Hebrews 9:22-26 > (22) And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without > shedding of blood is no remission. > (23) It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens > should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with > better sacrifices than these. > (24) For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which > are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the > presence of God for us: > (25) Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth > into the holy place every year with blood of others; > (26) For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: > but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the > sacrifice of himself. > > Hebrews 13:15-16 > (15) By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God > continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name. > (16) But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices > God is well pleased. > > Revelation 2:20 > (20) Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou > sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach > and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things > sacrificed unto idols. > > 2 John 1:10-11 > (10) If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him > not into your house, neither bid him God speed: > (11) For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. > > 1 Timothy 5:22-25 > (22) Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: > keep thyself pure. > (23) Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and > thine often infirmities. > (24) Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some > men they follow after. > (25) Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they > that are otherwise cannot be hid. > Ephesians 5:6-7 > (6) Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things > cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. > (7) Be not ye therefore partakers with them. > > 1 Corinthians 10:20-21 > (20) But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice > to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship > with devils. > (21) Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot > be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. > > Sorry for the long post. There are a lot more passages, but I had better > stop now. :-) I think you can get the gist of what I'm saying. > > I've said this in the past on this forum, but I will say it again. The > Epistle of Barnabas, which was in one of the oldest Bibles that we have, > explains how Torah should rightly be understood. I encourage all interested > in this topic to read it and consider his thesis. > > You can find several translations of the Epistle of Barnabas at: > http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/barnabas.html > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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