Dean wrote: > -No I did not read the entire work-but as you know > we can know a tree by its fruit-when A Saints plan > and carries out a gruesome death of another Christian > and later shows no remorse they have nothing that I > want to study to find truth.
Such a comment tells me that you do not understand the history of Calvin. Be careful not to rest your judgment of another on gossip. I'm not a fan of Calvin, as you know, but he should be criticized fairly if he is criticized, not judged for what others have done in his name. Most of Calvinism today stems from Calvin's student Beza, and much of it today is not recognizable in the writings of Calvin himself Dean wrote: > No matter evil begets evil and two wrongs do not > make a right.Here are a couple of questions you > should answer: > 1.Can J.Calvin be scripturally justified for putting > Michael Servetus to death? Calvin never put Servetus to death. He reported him to the authorities, and as a lawyer and theologian, he presented evidence in a court of law. The Council of Geneva are the ones who put him to death. In fact, he had already been convicted in Vienne where he was living under a false name and lied to authorities in a court of law about who he was. He lied about many material facts, and then escaped prison when pretending to go to the outhouse. Dean wrote: > 2.Does a murderous hate,such as Calvin had,render one > spiritually unable to accurately interpret the scriptures > (1Cor.2:14; 1 Jn 2:9-11) How can you know of a murderous hate in Calvin? What are you talking about? I'm not aware of Calvin murdering anyone. Are you? Please, be careful not to trust in rumors and gossip. Dean wrote: > 3. Can a unrepentant be saved (1 Jn3:15, Rev 21:8)? What has Calvin not repented of? Can a liar and astrologer be saved? Servetus was both a liar and an astrologer. Does he get a free pass from you? Why do you refer to him as "innocent"? Dean wrote: > History states that Sarvetus begged for pity from Calvin > (who used green wood as to make him suffer longer)for > 3 hours and received none. Do you believe Calvin will > receive any from God? Something is wrong with the history books you are reading. Calvin is the one who begged Servetus to recant his erroneous positions so that his life might be spared. Calvin visited Servetus in prison and begged him to recant his anti-Trinitarian views. Servetus asked Calvin for his personal forgiveness, which is apparently being exaggerated into "begging for pity." Calvin gave him his forgiveness, but exhorted Servetus to ask for mercy from God. Servetus also begged the city for the sword instead of fire, but in this, Calvin was in agreement with Servetus. Calvin had previously endeavored unsuccessfully with others to commute his death sentence. Calvin did NOT support burning Servetus at the stake. Read Foxe's Book of Martyrs and Schaff's History of the Church. David Miller wrote: >> What did you think about books I & II concerning >> the knowledge of God? cd wrote: > I don't need Satan to teach me the word of God. LOL. Is that what you think of Calvin? John Wesley believed Calvin to be a wise and pious man, and a great instrument of God. Do you think Wesley was wrong? cd wrote: > To say such and live against this the same- > doesn't make a saint-If he was so concerned > about the Law why break it by killing an innocent > man. Calvin has already articulated his belief that heretics kill the soul, and, therefore, with a legal basis in the Law, they should be put to death, lest they kill other souls. Calvin simply believed that blasphemy is a capital offense. We may not agree with that in our culture, but it certainly is not breaking the Law to believe in capital punishment for blasphemy. Don't you see how you are twisting the case against Calvin untowardly? CD wrote: > The facts show that Calvin did not-Tell how many > souls have seen harm from the Tulip Calvin pushed? > The OSAS in itself had led many to hell and many > more to fall away. TULIP was not invented by Calvin. It was something put forward later by followers of Calvin in an effort to combat Arminianism. In like manner, the OSAS has taken on many variations, some which strengthen and encourage the believer in the providence of God, but others that lead people into wanton sin. John Calvin himself would not have supported many advocates of the OSAS that you criticize. Again, you should be careful not to rely upon rumor and gossip. You should have read "Institutes of the Christian Religion" yourself. Now please don't misunderstand me. I am not a five point Calvinist. I just think our criticism of Calvin's teachings should be fair and accurate, not based upon lurid tales based more in fiction than truth. Peace be with you. David Miller. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
