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Even a book about guns?
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Sent: November 29, 2005 09:31
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's
beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore
Here is the absolute truth. Calvin was a sinner, just
like you , just like me. God has all the facts and has treated him
justly. It is not something we need to worry about. There are
people who need loving and souls that need saving. You cannot do either
with your nose in a
book.
Terry
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Dave
Hansen wrote:
DAVEH: Thanx for your advice on this,
DavidM...especially considering your time constraints.
Not that I want to open another can of worms, but
in light of my discussion (if it could be called
that) with Perry and
whether or not there is any truth to be found on TT, these exchanges you
are
having with Judy and Dean illustrate the problem I see with TT.
I don't know which side is giving
the truth about Calvin, but I'd sure be
surprised if you are able to convert Judy and/or Dean to your
way of
seeing it, and likewise....I doubt you will be jumping over to your side of
the fence.
When I asked you the question, So
where's the truth?......the answer ain't so simple.....
All you have to do, Dave, is read more history from both sides.
........without
engaging in a lot of independent study and then drawing conclusions based
on
that. But perhaps I'm being a bit too critical. I suppose
you could have given me a dogmatic
answer that would have been no
different than Judy and Dean's answers.
Either way....it leads me to believe truth is pretty illusive on
TT. Forgive me for harping on
that theme, but it has become pretty
apparent recently that truth really isn't the focus of TT.
If
anything, it seems to be more a place to argue truth without
real truth being all that relevant. I
don't know if that
makes any sense though.....
FWIW.....I do have a
genuine interest in Calvin, as I've heard a lot of stuff related to him
on
the radio program (Key Life Ministries with Steve Brown) who is
apparently a Calvinist (if that is
possible with SB being a
Presbyterian?) Anyway....hearing about him has given me a mild
interest
in knowing about his theology. Now that I'm hearing two
sides of the coin in TT, it just seems a
little odd. I'm just not
sure I want to spend a whole lot of time trying to sort out the truth
about
him from the clutter.
David Miller wrote:
DAVEH:
So where's the truth? Judy posted a pretty compelling
argument that was diametrically opposed to DavidM's
comments. Which is correct?
All you have to do, Dave, is read more history from both sides. What you
find is that many people spin the facts however they want to spin it. The
article Judy shared is way off the chart in spin against Calvin. It ignores
important facts, and spins known facts ascribing motive to Calvin that is
unwarranted. For example, yes, Servetus read Calvin's Institutes and gave
Calvin a copy of it all marked up with his criticisms. The article tries to
spin this fact into Calvin getting personally upset with such and that he
was filled with a vile anger and hatred toward Servetus for his criticism.
The truth is that Calvin worked and worked to try and help Servetus correct
his errors, but Servetus was uncooperative. Servetus challenges Calvin to a
debate but then does not show up for his own debate? Come on. Servetus
does not engage Calvin, but rather publishes his criticisms without Calvin's
response? There is a lot more to the story to consider than personal
vindictiveness. Get all the facts for yourself and make up your own mind.
Still, we will all approach the subject with certain assumptions.
If I had time, I would go through and point out all the falsehoods and the
false assumptions in that article that Judy shared. They are readily
apparent to me based upon my past reading on the subject, but I don't have a
lot of time right now. Read Schaff for yourself, and Foxe's Book of
Martyrs. I think they will help provide a more balanced perspective on the
issue. Also go to the sources that Schaff references.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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