How would you be able to discern truth
DaveH when you are already deceived by the religion
you were either born into or have chosen to follow?
DAVEH: It seems pretty obvious to me that at least one of the
positions put forth on TT about Calvin is wrong, Judy. I don't quite
see how both you and Dean can be right in your assessment of him, and
DavidM be right as well. Do you agree?
No, DavidM says he is not pro
Calvin either; he just thought Dean's and perhaps my sources to hard on
him and in his opinion
not as accurate as his sources.
Assuming you do, and assuming you believe your (and Dean's)
understanding of Calvin is correct, then how do you explain that DavidM
is likewise deceived about Calvin? He is not under JS's influence, as
you presume me to be.
I think DavidM is aware of what
Calvin was about but he seems to be focused on the historical aspect and
the pull of culture etc. whereas
Dean and myself are focused on the spiritual. Today at BSF we studied
Abram who was called out of his
culture and had to leave everything he knew and was familiar with to
follow God. Jesus
calls disciples to himself on the same terms.
It wouldn't be my first choice but we are
limited by what is available in the town where we live.
DAVEH: Is there an LDS Church there? And if so, have you ever
attended one of its meetings?
We have a Mormon Stake at the
northern end of our city and no I have never attended a meeting there.
I have been to their Family
History Room in studying genealogy and would give them an A for
helpfulness
in that area..
Mormonism is a controlling religion also with
a prophet who can not ever be wrong.
DAVEH: ??? What makes you think that, Judy? Did I not say exactly
the opposite recently? Once again it is obvious that truth is lacking
in TT. FTR......Mormon prophets are not infallible.
Oophs! Sorry if I missed it on
that one but Mormonism does put Joseph Smiths writings either on an
equal or higher level
than the holy scriptures.
Now, I don't want to pick on your, Judy....But in light of your
below comment to me........
How would you be able to discern truth
DaveH when you are already deceived by the religion
you were either born into or have chosen to follow?
I don't claim to be an expert on
Mormonism DaveH and I wouldn't put one mistatement on the same level
as a life teaching.
.......it would seem to me that your inability to discern truth might be related to who
you've have chosen to follow in
TT. Making such a mistake would cause me to suspect whether or not
your perspective on the truth about Calvin is likewise incorrect.
Oh well! That's up to you DaveH
- I would call that the "gift of suspicion" which is rampant in all
religions.
BTW....Since you feel so strongly about (against) Calvin, do you
feel comfortable worshiping in a setting that is somewhat aligned with
his theology?
Calvin the man has gone to his
reward whatever that might be, it's the legacy he left behind that is
bothersome. Ppl seem to
think that following Calvin is the same as following Christ not
realizing that
all 'isms are problematic and
best left alone.
Judy Taylor wrote:
Either way....it leads me to believe truth is
pretty illusive on TT. Forgive me for harping on
that theme, but it has become pretty apparent recently that truth really
isn't the focus of TT. If
anything, it seems to be more a place to argue truth without
real truth being all that relevant. I
don't know if that makes any sense though.....
How would you be able to discern
truth DaveH when you are already deceived by the
religion you were either born
into or have chosen to follow? Joseph Smith may not have
burned ppl at the stake for heresy
but his life and teaching don't measure up either.
FWIW.....I do have a genuine interest in Calvin, as I've heard a
lot of stuff related to him on
the radio program (Key Life Ministries with Steve Brown) who is
apparently a Calvinist (if that is
possible with SB being a Presbyterian?) Anyway....hearing about him
has given me a mild interest
in knowing about his theology. Now that I'm hearing two sides of the
coin in TT, it just seems a
little odd. I'm just not sure I want to spend a whole lot of time
trying to sort out the truth about
him from the clutter.
Not only possible but probable since
Presbyterianism is the fruit of Calvin's teachings along
with the
Geneva Bible with his footnotes. The church I attend is Presbyterian
and there are lots
of nice
folk there. However, I am aware that there is a Calvinistic bent and
so guard my heart
against it. It wouldn't be my
first choice but we are limited by what is available in the town where
we live. You may not see the
problem the same way since Mormonism is a controlling religion
also with a prophet who can not
ever be wrong.
