How would you be able to discern truth DaveH when
you are already deceived by the religion you
were either born into or have chosen to follow?
DAVEH: It seems pretty obvious to me that
at least one of the positions put forth on TT about Calvin is wrong,
Judy. I don't quite see how both you and Dean can be right in your
assessment of him, and DavidM be right as well. Do you agree?
No, DavidM says he is not pro Calvin
either; he just thought Dean's and perhaps my sources to hard on him
and in his opinion not as
accurate as his sources.
Assuming you do, and assuming you believe your (and Dean's) understanding
of Calvin is correct, then how do you explain that DavidM is likewise
deceived about Calvin? He is not under JS's influence, as you
presume me to be.
I think DavidM is aware of what Calvin
was about but he seems to be focused on the historical aspect
and
the pull of culture etc. whereas Dean and
myself are focused on the spiritual. Today at BSF we
studied
Abram who was called out of his culture
and had to leave everything he knew and was familiar with to follow
God. Jesus
calls disciples to himself on the same
terms.
It wouldn't be my first choice but we are
limited by what is available in the town where we live.
DAVEH: Is there an LDS Church there? And if so,
have you ever attended one of its meetings?
We have a Mormon Stake at the northern
end of our city and no I have never attended a meeting
there.
I have been to their Family History Room
in studying genealogy and would give them an A for
helpfulness
in that
area..
Mormonism is a
controlling religion also with a prophet who can not ever be
wrong.
DAVEH: ??? What makes you think that,
Judy? Did I not say exactly the opposite recently? Once again
it is obvious that truth is lacking in TT. FTR......Mormon prophets
are not infallible.
Oophs! Sorry if I missed it on that
one but Mormonism does put Joseph Smiths writings either on an equal
or higher level than the holy
scriptures.
Now, I don't want to
pick on your, Judy....But in light of your below comment to
me........
How would you be able to discern truth DaveH when
you are already deceived by the religion you
were either born into or have chosen to follow?
I don't claim to be an expert on
Mormonism DaveH and I wouldn't put one mistatement on the same
level
as a life
teaching.
.......it would seem to me that your inability to discern truth might be related to who you've
have chosen to follow in TT.
Making such a mistake would cause me to suspect whether or not your
perspective on the truth about Calvin is likewise incorrect.
Oh well! That's up to you DaveH - I
would call that the "gift of suspicion" which is rampant in all
religions.
BTW....Since you feel
so strongly about (against) Calvin, do you feel comfortable worshiping in
a setting that is somewhat aligned with his theology?
Calvin the man has gone to his reward
whatever that might be, it's the legacy he left behind that is
bothersome. Ppl seem to
think that following Calvin is the same as following Christ not realizing
that
all 'isms are problematic and best left
alone.
Judy Taylor wrote:
Either way....it leads me to believe truth
is pretty illusive on TT. Forgive me for harping on
that
theme, but it has become pretty apparent recently that truth
really isn't the focus of TT. If
anything, it seems to be
more a place to argue truth without real truth being all
that relevant. I
don't know if that makes any sense
though.....
How would you be able to discern truth
DaveH when you are already deceived by the
religion you were either born into or have
chosen to follow? Joseph Smith may not have
burned ppl at the stake for heresy but his
life and teaching don't measure up
either.
FWIW.....I do have a genuine
interest in Calvin, as I've heard a lot of stuff related to him
on
the radio program (Key Life Ministries with Steve Brown) who is
apparently a Calvinist (if that is
possible with SB being a
Presbyterian?) Anyway....hearing about him has given me a mild
interest
in knowing about his theology. Now that I'm hearing
two sides of the coin in TT, it just seems a
little odd. I'm
just not sure I want to spend a whole lot of time trying to sort out
the truth about
him from the clutter.
Not only possible but probable since
Presbyterianism is the fruit of Calvin's teachings
along
with the Geneva
Bible with his footnotes. The church I attend is Presbyterian
and there are lots
of nice folk
there. However, I am aware that there is a Calvinistic bent and
so guard my heart
against it. It wouldn't be my first
choice but we are limited by what is available in the town
where
we live. You may not see the
problem the same way since Mormonism is a controlling
religion
also with a prophet who can not ever
be wrong.
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