Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides

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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> John wrote:
> > The failure of the "inspired" on this forum to answer
> > or even try to answer questions concerning their
> > doctrine of "spiritual discernment," its detachment
> > from mental processes, and the infallible nature of
> > its interpretive conclusions gives rise to the importance
> > of a hermeneutical rule that would suggest that in addition
> > to considerations of syntax, semantical concerns,
> > contextual considerations including time, date and cultural
> > histories --- a rule that adds to this mix the weight of the
> > application or lack thereof of our theological conclusion.
> > When we present and teach a conclusion that fails as an
> > applied value [ you all can't answer the questions !!],
> > we expose those conclusions to be untrue or sorely in
> > nee d of serious revisiting. A failure to do so is expressed
> > in the difference between effective interpretation and a heady
> > interpolation of Godly concerns
>
> What you do not seem to realize is that you argue from the presumption that
> your way of interpretation is not only best, but it is the only available
> option.

Yes I do. 

 

You ignore important passages such as:
>
> 1 Corinthians 2:9-15
> (9) But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have
> entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them
> that love him.
> (10) But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit
> searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
> (11) For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which
> is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
> (12) Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which
> is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
> (13) Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom
> teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with
> spiritual.
> (14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
> they are foolishn ess unto him: neither can he know them, because they are
> spiritually discerned.
> (15) But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged
> of no man.

Why would you think I ignore this passage.   It happens to be one of my fabs.    It is the very reason I study,  read form the counsel of others,  share on this forum ,  listen , pray and recommit myself to this same process.  

 

Our difference has to do with how this all plays out in the lives of those with the Spirit.   At no time do I beleive that you or anyone else possesses truth that cannot be wrong. 

>
> Your system of learning is not the only one, but you plow forward like a
> bull in the proverbial china shop thinking that you have it all figured out. Ad hom be damned.   Stay on point, please. 
> When someone does not conform to your own system of learning and teaching,
> you arrogantly assume that they are in error simply because they do not play
> by your rules of learning and teaching. Even if no answers were given to
> you, that would not support the rejection of another system of learning.

What do you think is my thinking when it comes to illumination and the truth and the beliefs of others who are disciples of Christ?   You seem to be saying that I have

I Corinthians 2:6-8 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom
> of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
> (7) But we speak the wisdom of God IN A MYSTERY, even the hidden wisdom,
> which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
> (8) Which none of the princes of this world knew ...
>
> 1 Corinthians 2:13
> (13) Which things also we speak, NOT IN THE WORDS WHICH MAN'S WISDOM
> TEACHETH, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with
> spiritual.

Wow,  I ignore "important passages such as   .."  could have been more precisely written  as " you ignore  I Co  chapter 2:6-15. 

 

>
> John wrote:
> > Judy and David do not offer answers
> > to questions posed because they cannot.
>
> Wrong, John. I have answered and could answer a lot more,    You had not answered at the time I wrote that post. 

but my answers
> are not understood by you any better than my 10 year old child understanding
> the answer to a calculus problem.

Ah,  I can figure out Bill Taylor, Barth, Torrance, Lance, Terry Clifton,  Kevin Deegan  -  but not you because your   answers are to   complicated  for me  (?)

Another problem is that you are trying to
> force the answers into your hermeneutical box and system of learning. Set
> your box aside and try being like a child all over again and hear what is
> being said.

bleed my brain dry of any competing influences and soak in what you have to say?  does that catch your meaning?  If not,  splain, please.

That would be a good step toward understanding spiritual
> revelation. Baptism in the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues helps too.

I have had that experience and spiritual tongue is ENGLISH !!!

> :-)
>
> 1 Corinthians 14:14-15
> (14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, MY SPIRIT PRAYETH, BUT MY
> UNDERSTANDING IS UNFRUITFUL.
> (15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the
> understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the
> understanding also.
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller.
>
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