And to compare the range of influence of J Smith with any on the list is spurious, at best. There is a big difference between one who creates a "new religion" and one who works within given boundaries to explain and definition a religion. J Smith has NO INFLUENCE outside his religion. Many on my list do.
jd
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From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I think you named the apostles correctly. It appears that your list of
> names of the others goes down hill from there. You did not even mention
> Joseph Smith. Certainly he was as much a (False) prophet as Calvin and
> more influential than any of the liberals you chose to honor.
> You might want to get a good grip on reality and rethink this.
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > Within the church , God has placed apostles, prophets, evangelists,
> > pastors and teacher. There collective ministries are given a
> > threefold purpose, but the specifics of each functionary is unique
> > and even exclusive.
> >
> > The apostles and prophets are a case in point. They are a part of
> > those na med in Eph 4:11 ff while , at the same time, considered apart
> > from the remaining categories (evangelists, pastors and teachers). It
> > is the apostles and prophets who are the foundation of the "household
> > of God" (Eph 2:20.) Because they are named as the foundation of the
> > Church, we can be confident that their ministries compliment each
> > other.
> >
> > The apostles are given an identify -- the "12" -- while, in fact,
> > their numbers include the original 12, Matthias, Paul, Barnabas, James
> > the brother of Jesus, and arguably Apollos, Silvanus and Titus. With
> > this group of men, we have the writings of all NT scripture except the
> > historical record of Luke (Luke/Acts). The apostles were
> > charged with world mission, binding and loosing and the performace of
> > miracles as an extension (in the Spirit) of who they were. All the
> > recorded miracles of the NT scripture are performed by Jesus or one of
> > the apostles.
> >
> > Their counterpart is the prophet. Whereas the apostles were given to
> > the First Church, the prophets continue with the church throughout the
> > ages. It is not the prophets work to continue the addition of
> > scripture. That work was completed with the apostles. The
> > scriptures were finished with the passing of the apostles. In time,
> > the Church Catholic was challenged to identify those scriptures and,
> > with the providential consideration of God, the Bible was the
> > result. The prophet, named as a part of the foundation of the
> > church (Eph 2:20) is, in reality, those we commonly refer to as
> > "theologian." He is the one who continues the work of the apostle
> > as he illuminates the message, keeping the biblical message at center
> > stage and fresh for each new era within the church. People like
> > Atha nasuius, Eusebias, Origen, Tertullian, Calvin, Luther, Barth are
> > prophets to the Church Catholic while others, less catholic in
> > function, add to this illuminary function, men like Wesley,
> > Torrance, NT Wright, and, finally, those who have read and are
> > acquainted with the above and have a good working knowledge of the
> > written word, people like Debbie Sawczak, Bill Taylor, Victor
> > Shepherd, Jon Hughs and the like. It is the prophet that keeps the
> > word alive and helps to keep us centered on the Christ.
> >
> > The evangelist, pastor and teacher benefit from these prophets and
> > give their (the prophets) conributions meaning to those within the
> > church who have a better understanding of the common man and his
> > language. And, so , the church at all levels is benefited, edified,
> > regenerated with the living word without adding more and more
> > scripture and bigge r and better phenom. A truly divine arrangement.
> >
> > jd
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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